Relic Weapon Skills at Level 99

[Neisan_Quetz]

Amano overtakes Masamune when accuracy is an issue and Sam doesn't overtp alot.

Then hasszanshin update came.

Save TP buffs/being able to open with 300 TP doesn't help amano either.

And nor does the constant TP mod.

[Kitkat]

Why shouldn't difficulty be a factor in the power of a weapon?
People are under the false notion that relics are extremely hard to make. I'm just trying to point out that it is not. Relic are actually the easiest to make atm. They might take longer, but that is only due to you only being able to farm dynamis 2 hours a day. If you could farm dynamis 12 hours a day, you could finish a relic in 5 days no problem.

I still find this statement ironic. Before 95, if a relic user complained about difficulty they were told to make an emp, now the emp users are complaining cause one trail caused them to return to old school mechanics. Now they "deserve" to be the only pure DD weapon. Hey, if you could spend all that gil making a bow, what is the difference in spending it to finish your 95 emp? And honestly, if you don't have any friends to help you make either of these weapons then that is your own fault. Your "Solo this, solo that" argument is about as strong as saying this isn't an MMO.

Not a substantial argumentative point. Semantics are only quantifiers in a weak argument. You want to use the scope of 1 trial that can be just as easily compared to the currency gathering of a relic and call it "Hard" and "deserving" but at the same time turn around and use it against the very thing you are arguing about. Do try to think your points through. The amount of gil you spend is not a vailid argument either as that is dependent on the economy which can change very easily based on supply/demand. Just as you people use the excuse that the very same thing doesn't make mythics hard either, this is not "hard" under that very same principle.

Relic ws do not need to be on par with empys. Empys are for pure dps, nothing else. Relics have additional properties empys do not have. What you are asking for is akin to asking blm to be able to melee and dd like a warrior, cause it was hard for you to lvl your blm back in the day. Each weapon has its strengths. Relics str just isn't its dps. Go make your 85 empys if you feel they are stronger. They are EASY no???

This...I don't even know how you are coming up with this. The initial build of the weapons were to be "the weapon" by making the weapon and the ws so unique that allowing them to act the same way as all other WS was "unbalanced." Now they go back and rewrite all the rules by giving another line of weapons the same modifiers, the ability to be true multi-hit, and scaling TP mods and this is the new form of "balance." If anything asking for these changes on mythics would fit your comparison better.

The salvage armor was an example. You don't complain it sucks now and you wasted your time, you went out and got the empy armor, which is way better way easier.

You obviously don't play blu, rdm, or drk being as some of these pieces are still the best in their respective slots by situational standards. I can't comment on mardukes or usu as I don't play any of the jobs that use the sets.

I wouldnt' be butt hurt at all if they made plates drop more. I made it cause I had the spare gil, and that ukon is > bravura dps wise, and that you need 95 to get to 99. If you get your wish and bravura becomes the best, then for sure I will make one as well and not whine about how empy 99 sucks.

Honestly, what would there to be "butt hurt" over if they made plates drop more? I think you missed the point on this one. With your adamant enthusiasm in attempting to squash that relic needs any changes, I find this hard to believe. Why? You can't even look at why people complain about some of these aspects of the relics. Try looking at the pitfalls sometime and doing some math behind them. Hidden proc rates begin to become worse the more da/ta procs since it can only proc on first attack per round.

[Ragni]

Why shouldn't difficulty be a factor in the power of a weapon?
People are under the false notion that relics are extremely hard to make. I'm just trying to point out that it is not. Relic are actually the easiest to make atm. They might take longer, but that is only due to you only being able to farm dynamis 2 hours a day. If you could farm dynamis 12 hours a day, you could finish a relic in 5 days no problem.

Relic ws do not need to be on par with empys. Empys are for pure dps, nothing else. Relics have additional properties empys do not have. What you are asking for is akin to asking blm to be able to melee and dd like a warrior, cause it was hard for you to lvl your blm back in the day. Each weapon has its strengths. Relics str just isn't its dps. Go make your 85 empys if you feel they are stronger. They are EASY no???

The salvage armor was an example. You don't complain it sucks now and you wasted your time, you went out and got the empy armor, which is way better way easier.

I wouldnt' be butt hurt at all if they made plates drop more. I made it cause I had the spare gil, and that ukon is > bravura dps wise, and that you need 95 to get to 99. If you get your wish and bravura becomes the best, then for sure I will make one as well and not whine about how empy 99 sucks.

You are so wrong, Emps are easier to obtain. lvl 95 cost only 150-160m, just go solo dynamis and you can make 2m gils per day. Getting emp up to lvl 90 takes 2-3 days lvl 95 takes something like 30-40 days of dynamis if you only do dynamis for gils (you can also do cruor pts, salvage). Don't say please that relics are easier to do because its not true.

If you are talking about dsp, Annihilator is good example or even Apoc these two have better dps than their emp counterparts.

[macross]

I spent 0 gil on my bow... I farmed it 100%. Took me 40 days of farming, currently in the turning in stages, so Yes I know how easy it is to make a relic. If I wasn't limited to 2 hours per day, it would have taken around 5 days or less, depending on how long I farmed. The only cockblock is time. 2 hours a day x 40, 80 hours to make a relic. How many hours to make an empy? That 40 days is with 3 people btw. 3 people to farm your empy start to finish, how long would it take you.

You say you can make an emp to 90 in 2-3 days. I call bs once again. There's no way unless your days are 24 hour non stop gaming days. The trials before you even get the lvl 80 weapon, take more than 2-3 days. Heck one nm could take 8 hours to pop. 50 50 75 whatevers, 2-3 days with 18 people helping you, playing 24/7 maybe? Imagine if you could only do 2 hours a days of abyssea, that 2-3 days suddenly changes into weeks. Just like a relic! 18 people solo farming dynamis for you, how fast would you get a relic hrm? I bet just as fast or faster.

40 days of farming dynamis to make money to upgrade empy 90-95. That 40 days could make you a whole new relic. All a relic requires is 2 hours a day solo, or the gils to buy the currency. You can't solo an empy to 95, unless you use brews. The entire cost of a 75 relic is required to fund one stage of an empy. Which is harder when you put it that way?

[Cljader1]

I beg to differ about 75 relic harder than 90 empy. I'd like to see you solo a 90 empy, vs soloing a 75 relic. I assure you the 75 relic will be done first. 75 bravura solo, 2-3 months easy with a bst/dnc. 90 ukon solo? go try and see how long that takes you and how much curor you spend brewing. Relic only takes that long because you can only do it 2 hours a day. IF you could farm as much as you wanted, it would be no contest.

Just saying it's unrealistic to ask for such crazy boosts to a weapon that's easy to make. It's on topic. Stop thinking relic is so hard anymore and deserves to do the highest damage. If you want the best damage, then make the 'easy' empy. I'm sure you don't go around wearing salvage armor that took you many months to make and cost you millions of gil, asking for it to be upgraded. You are likely wearing empy armor. yes, the easy to make 'empy' armor.

You guys want relics to do the highest dps, have the best mods, just cause you think they are harder to make. Who wouldn't want their bravura to outdps an ukon, while having the bravura's tanking properities along with the debufs. Seriously think about what you are asking lol.

This guy has to be joking, I barely sneezed and I got 2 emps. I can take my emp RIGHT NOW to lvl 95 if I want to but I'm saving all my gil and gil making power to get my apoc from 95 to 99. I completed a emp in under one week, its too easy too get. BTW didnt the original poster say that he only want to hear from people who hold both a relic and emp? You only have a emp so you have no concept on what it takes to get a relic. So I don't know why you decided to posted in this thread

[Cljader1]

Well the Empyrean lvl 99 trial asks for 500 or something and the Relic trial asks for 1000 of something.

Watch it be 100's

I hope its not 1000 of 100 piece currency, I'm one of the richest people on the bismark server and not even I could achieve that task. That's like making 10 relics, just for the lvl 95-99 stage, but I wouldnt put it pass SE after all Tanaka is back and he want to grind players. I'll quit if thats his idea of grinding

[Cljader1]

I spent 0 gil on my bow... I farmed it 100%. Took me 40 days of farming, currently in the turning in stages, so Yes I know how easy it is to make a relic. If I wasn't limited to 2 hours per day, it would have taken around 5 days or less, depending on how long I farmed. The only cockblock is time. 2 hours a day x 40, 80 hours to make a relic. How many hours to make an empy? That 40 days is with 3 people btw. 3 people to farm your empy start to finish, how long would it take you.

You say you can make an emp to 90 in 2-3 days. I call bs once again. There's no way unless your days are 24 hour non stop gaming days. The trials before you even get the lvl 80 weapon, take more than 2-3 days. Heck one nm could take 8 hours to pop. 50 50 75 whatevers, 2-3 days with 18 people helping you, playing 24/7 maybe? Imagine if you could only do 2 hours a days of abyssea, that 2-3 days suddenly changes into weeks. Just like a relic! 18 people solo farming dynamis for you, how fast would you get a relic hrm? I bet just as fast or faster.

40 days of farming dynamis to make money to upgrade empy 90-95. That 40 days could make you a whole new relic. All a relic requires is 2 hours a day solo, or the gils to buy the currency. You can't solo an empy to 95, unless you use brews. The entire cost of a 75 relic is required to fund one stage of an empy. Which is harder when you put it that way?

Where is your relic bow sir, I'm on bismark server so I can see If you really have one

[Kitkat]

Nothing but perceiption....again

Seriously, how is what you are doing any different than what you accuse us of doing? More importantly, how does any of this relate at all to what the topic is about? Are you bringing anything constructive to the topic or are you more preoccupied with trying to make your emp seem far more difficult to make than it actually is?

In case you somehow don't know what the word percieption means, in this context, it means you are arguing 2 points you think are different and actually signify something of great importance when they are equal to one another. Your use of "hard" correlates to other uses of the word "hard" when viewed from anothers perspective relative to their own experiences. Just because something takes time, does not make it hard just because you think it does. Having done both an emp and a relic, I can tell you the trials are equally time consuming, but the end result is not equal to the time spent to reach the goal. This is the whole point you over look when you over exert yourself in explaining the perceived difficulties.

Emp 90-95 is equal to Relic stage 1 to completed 75 version, Relic WS+nm trials are equal to emp NM trials, but the end results are significantly different in relation to the amount of effort put into completing them. The only real difference between the two being that the order in which they are perceived to be difficult is virtually reversed from one another and that one is more rewarding sooner and ultimately than the other. That is the only difference between the trials themselves. Mythic weapons trump both emp and relic in effort required to build the weapon since it has far more time consuming steps than both combined, so both sides on this point alone need to grow up and shut up.

Your argument, it has no basis in this topic since the issue has nothing to do with how "hard" either weapon is to make in comparison to the overall result of the weapon up to its current completion point at 95. The topic was made to point out failings of the relic weapons/ws in comparison to other weapons/ws that exist within the game and why they are viewed as pitfalls,or need to be addressed issues. So why don't you kindly walk your happy little trumpet tooting idiology out of the thread unless you have a conclusive reasoning as to why the issues are of an unbalancing nature, or in your own words "crazy boosts."

[Cljader1]

I would like to see three boost given to lvl 99 relics increase odd hidden effect to 50% and rework ws damage/animation, and increase the potency of the aftermath effects

[Atomic_Skull]

I hope its not 1000 of 100 piece currency, I'm one of the richest people on the bismark server and not even I could achieve that task. That's like making 10 relics, just for the lvl 95-99 stage, but I wouldnt put it pass SE after all Tanaka is back and he want to grind players. I'll quit if thats his idea of grinding

Well the triels for relic +2 turned out to be 1x100 ~ 3x100 depending on what zone it drops in and originally the trials were asking for 30 "." so I wouldn't be surprised if the last relic trial is a 10,000 unit currency.