I compare bravura and ukko cause that what I see every day in my ls raids. We don' do abyssea, haven't in many months. All we do is new dynamis, some woe, and mostly VW. I see amano apoc bravura all comparing well to ukon. War usualy wins parses, but that's just cause war are war. Metatron can beat ukon, due to ukons dying etc, or when you use your 2h. Our last win, metatron was #1 with a 4300 ws as high, but the 2 ukons did die. Even so it still beat out kaiten and apoc and vere.