Relic Weapon Skills at Level 99

[Greatguardian]

Over 200Mil? Did you not get a 30 loan? Or were prices really that bad on Bismark?

[Ragni]

macross u post some nice crap, maybe its time to stop?

[Dew]

Dunno why everyone is complaining about relics so much. Anything under lv95 isn't finished. It's all about the final product, which is soon to be Lv99 in few days. So really it doesn't matter what it is till then. Once you get to the final product then compare which is harder to get. No relic is 200mil or even close. You get back 30 100s, so even if you buy them you don't spend anything on those last 30. Unless your going to toss them once you get them back.

All of this relic q.q is just dumb. Yes, some of the ws's could use little work. The aftermaths on some relic could also use a look over, but they are far from being the hardest to get. If anything it should be Mythics that complain about so much work for lower grade weapons then relic/empyrean.(Aside from Nirvana and maybe a few others.)

With all that being said Relics, Empyreans, and Mythics all have their ups and downs. No single class of the three is better. Each weapon has different uses. They aren't all made to deal 99,999 damage per ws. Always the same thing, if something doesn't do as much or more damage then the other they think it needs to be even better. People need to get over it and if so and so weapon is better spend less time complaining on the forums and go get it. You want to have the best, then go get the best. Complaining isn't increasing your relics, mythics, or empyreans damage.

[Insaniac]

I agree that things might change at 99 but:

Yes, some of the ws's could use little work. The aftermaths on some relic could also use a look over.

This is a monumental understatement. Most of the relic WSs are unusable and most of the aftermaths are so pointless that they don't even make you think twice about using the already vastly inferior WS.

If anything it should be Mythics that complain about so much work for lower grade weapons then relic/empyrean.

As of the OAThrice update at 95 most Mythics are amazing and/or broken. SE failed to get the utility aspect right on some of the utility weapons but most Mythics are now well worth the effort. Also what about asking for relics to be buffed means mythics can't get buffed too? They aren't mutually exclusive so you guys can stop singing that tune. If mythics want to complain then they have every right to do so in a different thread.

[Kitkat]

Offhand penalty is currently removed only on the test server. This only applies to the +att however. Add effects do not proc and neither does hidden, so in that sense there is still lock downs (one reasonable, other not so much since only one weapon has a strong add effect). As far as main server it still stands as only a dmg/delay weapon with no other visible stats working in off hand.

[Greatguardian]

Working off the assumption that Relic players understand their weapons more than others is just going to get you into trouble.

Out of all 3 weapon types, Relics were always by far the most prone to "Any moron with a fish bot or a shell full of retard AF slaves can get one" syndrome. There are definitely solid Relic holders, but they're hardly an indicator of knowledge, even about Relic WS/weapons themselves. Trying to blow smoke about "Only relic holders responding" just antagonizes people who would otherwise be able to offer more constructive input on the topic.

And, of course, there's the obligatory "90% of Relic owners are bloody retarded". It's true. Don't even try to deny it. The 10% that isn't would benefit far more from input from non-retarded players without relics than the other 90% of retarded players with them.

[Unleashhell]

Working off the assumption that Relic players understand their weapons more than others is just going to get you into trouble.

Out of all 3 weapon types, Relics were always by far the most prone to "Any moron with a fish bot or a shell full of retard AF slaves can get one" syndrome. There are definitely solid Relic holders, but they're hardly an indicator of knowledge, even about Relic WS/weapons themselves. Trying to blow smoke about "Only relic holders responding" just antagonizes people who would otherwise be able to offer more constructive input on the topic.

And, of course, the obligatory "90% of Relic owners are bloody retarded". It's true. Don't even try to deny it. The 10% that isn't would benefit far more from input from non-retarded players without relics than the other 90% of retarded players with them.

Which the same can be said about the Emp holders. This is a debate that can go on all day. I'm just trying to stay on my topic. As always I like your no BS fair replies to any topic on these forums.

[Greatguardian]

Which the same can be said about the Emp holders. This is a debate that can go on all day.

Who's comparing the two? Not me. When I look at Emp WS, do I say "Emp holders Only, prz!"? Nah. It's not a debate. It's a statement of fact. I know more about Relics than 90%+ of Relic holders and I'd laugh hysterically at the suggestion of making one for myself. I'm not that dumb. They are absolutely not worth my time - never have been, and never will.

Honestly, Relics are pretty awesome weapons in their own right, they could have been fine if the Merit WS didn't suck donkey tits. Spharai is in the best place it's ever been right now, since Shijin Spiral pulls ahead of Verethragna if and only if you have a Relic. Some Relics are still in great shape. Others? Not so much. There's only so much that can be thrown around on topic, though. Relic WS and Aftermaths are actually fairly unimportant. The important thing is that they can keep up with Empyreans offensively, independent of what WS they use. Relic ODD/OTD not being tied to a WS gives them this freedom.

Screw Relic WS, I'd say. As long as there's a WS worth using with a Relic that brings it up to Emp level, they'd be alright. Mythic is just going to be uberbroken forever though.

[Insaniac]

Why would someone care if the weaponskill on the weapon they spent 130mil worth of currency on is garbage when they can just use Raging Rush like every other joker with an AH axe? Did you really just ask that?

[Greatguardian]

Why would someone care if the weaponskill on the weapon they spent 130mil worth of currency on is garbage when they can just use Raging Rush like every other joker with an AH axe? Did you really just ask that?

If using Raging Rush with an extremely high damage weapon with +40 accuracy (Attack in 1-handers case, which is a lot better most of the time) keeps up with Ukko's Fury with a lower damage weapon, what's the big deal?

Bravura would also be significantly more powerful during Mighty Strikes, where they are able to spam Upheaval and keep their ODD on while Ukon is forced to use Ukko's Fury occasionally if they want their ODD aftermath.

Relics offer increased versatility. Their particular WS doesn't need to be their best DD WS because they aren't locked to their Relic WS in order to deal damage the way Emps are.