Are Summoners getting jipped ?

[Economizer]

I think something like capping amont cured to 100-200 hp would be 'fair' and this would mean a subbed nuking or healing would do the job and not require a main jobber to do it.

Only the Summoner can heal its own pet. Other players still wouldn't be able to target your pet.

[Dekusuta]

ok that makes sense!

[Meyi]

White Mage has an ability a lot like that.

While I understand why Automations and Beastmaster pets can't be healed, I think that perhaps allowing at least the Summoner to cast cure spells on their avatar might be an interesting change to consider, and it would work well with /WHM subs. Or perhaps allow the relevant nukes casted from a Summoner to its pet heal it (or even both).

Maybe it wouldn't be a good idea, but I think the implications could be interesting...

Mmm, tastes so good.

[Malamasala]

Mmm, tastes so good.

But melee has potions. Why do cures work on them? SE really wasted programming time with adding cures.

[Economizer]

But melee has potions. Why do cures work on them? SE really wasted programming time with adding cures.

I'm still waiting for a Chemist class that uses potions and poisons and wears their iconic blue outfit. Too bad we'll probably never see any more jobs.

But yeah, as awesome as Dawn Mulsum is, I think Summoners getting native healing magic skill (like F rank, not that healing magic skill currently matters) and being given the ability to cure their pets would be awesome. Obviously they wouldn't natively get cure spells but it would have synergy with the most common sub job choices. It's a thought at least.

[Dreamin]

But melee has potions. Why do cures work on them? SE really wasted programming time with adding cures.

The problem I see giving us abilities to heal our pet is that:

1. If the recast is short enough, then we can be invincible, other than a few very hard hitting NMs, we'll be able to basically solo everything else. I honestly think giving Garuda self-healing was probably something that Tanaka always regretted and would have pulled it from us if he can.

2. If the recast is too long, then it doesn't really give you the abilities that you want but a very situational, abit, could be useful in situation where for whatever reason, you're too closed to the mob to recast an avatar safely (but you can always just pop a spirit). So healing it can buy you that few more seconds where you can run further out of range and recast. But any SMN that has solo (not melee style, that's another topic of discussion) before probably already know what their safe casting vs pet's hp range are so I dont see what's the big deal here. Other than by resummoning, our avatar will lose whatever TP it has already for the next magical BP. But you already have a 'time-limited' ja called Mana Cede that you can use before you do your magical BP in the case where you have to resummon.

[Tannlore]

Mmm, tastes so good.

And it doesn't stack, and it goes for 10k+ depending on your server, and you need 90+ cooking skill to make it yourself.

Bittersweet

[Tannlore]

The problem I see giving us abilities to heal our pet is that:

1. If the recast is short enough, then we can be invincible, other than a few very hard hitting NMs, we'll be able to basically solo everything else. I honestly think giving Garuda self-healing was probably something that Tanaka always regretted and would have pulled it from us if he can.

2. If the recast is too long, then it doesn't really give you the abilities that you want but a very situational, abit, could be useful in situation where for whatever reason, you're too closed to the mob to recast an avatar safely (but you can always just pop a spirit). So healing it can buy you that few more seconds where you can run further out of range and recast. But any SMN that has solo (not melee style, that's another topic of discussion) before probably already know what their safe casting vs pet's hp range are so I dont see what's the big deal here. Other than by resummoning, our avatar will lose whatever TP it has already for the next magical BP. But you already have a 'time-limited' ja called Mana Cede that you can use before you do your magical BP in the case where you have to resummon.

A system for curing pets is already in the game and Roughly balanced. I said roughly with a capital R.

Bst and pup already have a system in there. Why not use these?

[Dreamin]

A system for curing pets is already in the game and Roughly balanced. I said roughly with a capital R.

Bst and pup already have a system in there. Why not use these?

Maybe it wasn't clear. I'm not suggesting that SE give us the abiliy to heal our pet. I'm saying that we really dont need a JA or being able to 'Cure' our pet at all since we can just resummon. But yes, there are always Dawn Mulsum that we can use to 'heal' our pet (and temp items too if you're doing WoE/VW/Abyssea).

[Tannlore]

Maybe it wasn't clear. I'm not suggesting that SE give us the abiliy to heal our pet. I'm saying that we really dont need a JA or being able to 'Cure' our pet at all since we can just resummon. But yes, there are always Dawn Mulsum that we can use to 'heal' our pet (and temp items too if you're doing WoE/VW/Abyssea).

Oh I understood your intent. However, re-summoning is not always an option and is really at this point a overused excuse. Bst can re-summon a jug pet if timer is up and pup can re-summon their auto with timers too (they get two in fact even if one calls it out in a weakened state). Going on this thread of thought, that smn being able to instantly re-summon is the key reason we shouldn't be able to cure our pets: then when a bst jug/charm dies or a auto dies then their recast cool-down should start at that very moment before they can re-summon them. This would preserve smn's instant recast.

Se wants us to "stand back and watch the show" then giving us the ability to keep our avatars alive would be the start of it I imagine.

Edit: oh and to add Dawn mulsum is not smn exclusive. The a fore mentioned jobs can also use the mulsum to cure their pet as well: bst, pup, and even drg.