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    Player Greatguardian's Avatar
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    Each "Object" can only perform one action at a time.

    Players can perform one action.

    Monsters can perform one action.

    Who these actions are performed on is irrelevant. If multiple monsters couldn't attack a player, then multiple players couldn't attack a monster.

    Each action is run with respect to the Object that generated it. Each monster is able to perform their own action, one at a time, on any other Object.

    Your player character does not react when guarding a monster's attack.

    The monster attacks, and is met with your player's guard skill activation. That's their action, and that's how it's processed. Your character doesn't actually act at all.

    I don't know how to make this any clearer for you, but it almost seems like you are intentionally failing to grasp the concept because it conflicts with what you want.

    PS: Being able to throw some code into lolPython does not a programmer make. FFXI is and always will be constricted to the built-in limitations of the game's core combat engine. It was designed in such a way that no object, player or otherwise, could perform more than one action at a time - for very good reason from a development/troubleshooting standpoint.

    This is not something that the Developers could change even if they wanted to. It is not something they could throw money or manpower at short of building a brand new game (hi FFXIV). That is the reality of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Each "Object" can only perform one action at a time.

    Players can perform one action.

    Monsters can perform one action.

    Who these actions are performed on is irrelevant. If multiple monsters couldn't attack a player, then multiple players couldn't attack a monster.

    Each action is run with respect to the Object that generated it. Each monster is able to perform their own action, one at a time, on any other Object.

    Your player character does not react when guarding a monster's attack.

    The monster attacks, and is met with your player's guard skill activation. That's their action, and that's how it's processed. Your character doesn't actually act at all.

    I don't know how to make this any clearer for you, but it almost seems like you are intentionally failing to grasp the concept because it conflicts with what you want.

    PS: Being able to throw some code into lolPython does not a programmer make. FFXI is and always will be constricted to the built-in limitations of the game's core combat engine. It was designed in such a way that no object, player or otherwise, could perform more than one action at a time - for very good reason from a development/troubleshooting standpoint.

    This is not something that the Developers could change even if they wanted to. It is not something they could throw money or manpower at short of building a brand new game (hi FFXIV). That is the reality of this.
    You continue to speak with conviction instead of facts that can actually disagree with how programming actually works. At this point I have to assume that you have nothing but pessimism for a self-prophesied grim future for this game, but it's just you sitting in a dark corner not willing to come out of your own preconceptions. Coding is not as set in stone as you make it sound and you are just straight wrong on this.

    Could FFXI be written on such bad code that it can't be altered at all without the entire game locking up and ceasing to function? I guess that could technically be a possibility, but it't not realistic at all. SE has been making games for years, this one for over a decade. Your lack of faith in your developers is only matched by your conviction that this game can't be improved at this point. There don't need to be any miracles to continue improving this game. Just some intelligent men and women who are willing to toil over code for several months at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManaKing View Post
    Could FFXI be written on such bad code that it can't be altered at all without the entire game locking up and ceasing to function?
    *Yes*

    How many PS2 coded games have the ability to evolve in the way you want it to? (note: this is not me saying "ps2 limitations" before anyone says that -_-)
    GG (and my) lack of faith in the developers!? We have both played the game the better part of a decade, almost longer than I've been with my wife. Please, we know these people better than our families.

    ITT:
    An Average OF Thread-
    Person 1- Tells everyone their awesome idea
    Person 2-5- Tells OP they are a visionary and god's gift to FFXI
    Person 6 (usually GG or Karbunkle)- Explains why idea is either A) Not physically possible or B) Brings about other problems / wouldnt solve original problem
    Person 7-3456347853694- Complain about how person 6 is elitist, antisocial, and retarded (among more graphic terms)

    End Result - FFXI's IQ level goes down another peg (have we hit rock bottom yet? Probably not, though with 900 RDM and SMN melee threads, we have to be pretty close)
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    Last edited by Shadowsong; 12-06-2011 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowsong View Post
    *Yes*

    How many PS2 coded games have the ability to evolve in the way you want it to? (note: this is not me saying "ps2 limitations" before anyone says that -_-)
    GG (and my) lack of faith in the developers!? We have both played the game the better part of a decade, almost longer than I've been with my wife. Please, we know these people better than our families.

    ITT:
    An Average OF Thread-
    Person 1- Tells everyone their awesome idea
    Person 2-5- Tells OP they are a visionary and god's gift to FFXI
    Person 6 (usually GG or Karbunkle)- Explains why idea is either A) Not physically possible or B) Brings about other problems / wouldnt solve original problem
    Person 7-3456347853694- Complain about how person 6 is elitist, antisocial, and retarded (among more graphic terms)

    End Result - FFXI's IQ level goes down another peg (have we hit rock bottom yet? Probably not, though with 900 RDM and SMN melee threads, we have to be pretty close)
    It wonderful that you have forum posting down to a science, unfortunately we aren't talking about computer science, because then it would be relevant. If you don't think that SE can change code, then keep believing that, but why post in these threads at all? If you are so sure of yourself that nothing can be changed then why not let the other people on the forums just continue on their merry way knowing that you are clearly right?

    Sounds like you enjoy I told you so's and possibly being a little bit elitist. You also write a self fulfilling prophecy as well as GG so I'll give you credit. It's a nice trap, but what does it actually accomplish for yourself and others?
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