Hey remember SC > MB? Make it required.

[ManaKing]

That's you. I have tremendous amounts of fun zerging things. I also prefer to play with my smallish group of friends willingly rather than be forced to accept anyone for an exp party simply because they are the job we need. And Im sorry you apparently had such a bad experience in Abby, I suggest including some friends in your adventures even if you dont HAVE to have them. It seems like you are actively avoiding interaction with others.

What do you say to the people who enjoy this gameplay? (and here's a hint, we are the majority. And if you dont believe that, ask yourself why these methods were developed in the first place)

You completely missed the point. I do things with a group of 5-12 people constantly. I don't mind that people SSC, but what bothers me is that even with all of us on vent and having a good time together, we still don't really ever have a good reason to SC because it can literally slows down the DPS that we do on mobs with decent magical resistance.

I don't dual box because it is as boring as possible, I just said that I can and that nothing would stop me from getting gear. If you want to come up with more party tactics with me in addition to SCs and MBs I would be extremely appreciative. What I am looking for is more party play. I want cooperation that actually wield benefits because it is a more rewarding style of play that is more memorable.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't zerg plenty of content, I'm just saying I'm getting sick of it being the only thing people do because they don't have incentives to make their jobs work together. SE added incentive to zerg a long time ago, but if you look at the empy weapons, they don't do anything to slow the trend down. A bunch of weapons that you can SSC dark or light if you are /SAM. They don't make anything better if you mix them with other people, they don't add anything to cooperative play. These are the pieces of equipment that everyone wants to have for even casual play at this point.

I want large bonuses to SCs that aren't SSC, I want there to be more than just double dark and light as the end result for a coordinated SC, and I want SE to add SCing as a cornerstone of what their next endgame content is so that I can be sure that people actually know what they are doing.

[Shadowsong]

If you want to come up with more party tactics with me in addition to SCs and MBs I would be extremely appreciative. What I am looking for is more party play. I want cooperation that actually wield benefits because it is a more rewarding style of play that is more memorable.

I have paid this company over $1200 so far in my life. THEY make the content, I play it.
I think the discussion would have been more productive if the OP used the terminology you just did.
We should be discussing how to make teamwork and cooperation more rewarding, not how to bring back an atiquated mechanic. That said though, I have no problem with them making SC more viable, and I don't think anyone does :/

edit: An idea could be to make each WS done on a mob throughout a fight weaken it towards further WS from other players. Or make it so certain Job Abilities work better when used in conjunction with others jobs' JA. Just rough ideas off the top of my head, but I think this is an unexplored region mechanics-wise and has a lot of potential.

[ManaKing]

I have paid this company over $1200 so far in my life. THEY make the content, I play it.
I think the discussion would have been more productive if the OP used the terminology you just did.
We should be discussing how to make teamwork and cooperation more rewarding, not how to bring back an atiquated mechanic. That said though, I have no problem with them making SC more viable, and I don't think anyone does :/

edit: An idea could be to make each WS done on a mob throughout a fight weaken it towards further WS from other players. Or make it so certain Job Abilities work better when used in conjunction with others jobs' JA. Just rough ideas off the top of my head, but I think this is an unexplored region mechanics-wise and has a lot of potential.

I am the OP. I brain storm while the topic open because the point of having a forum conversation is so that I can have people come up with things that might not be in line with my original ideas. I don't care if my original point becomes moot over the course of the discussion so long as I am given enough opinions and concerns to warrant it.

I apologize if sometimes my original posts are inflammatory. I generally post when I think of something that doesn't sit right with me, so I am generally very strongly opinionated when I post. The result is that my original post only encompasses what I wanted changed at the time. But as I get more feedback from other people, my opinion can change so long as i see the merit of their opinion.

Motenten has been an amazing source of information on this thread alone. I would completely stand behind anything she (i'm assuming) says because she already understands more of fine details that need to be explored and commented on. Both of her fixes sound completely legitimate and objectively worded. What is SC accuracy based on? I have no idea. Also I would love to know exactly how much damage SCs do every time I do one. While it might not be the fix I wanted at the time I posted, it might be the first step in putting SCs back in the game in a more permanent manner.