NIN Tanking

[Nightfyre]

Tripp: Because WAR is your best damage sub. I figured that was readily evident.

And Provoke is useful to get a mob when it's running towards mages/others.

This is true, and pretty much the only time I ever use Provoke.

Also, Provoke does, in fact, give good enmity, with some enmity gear provoking gives more hate then the damage you've dealt in that time, especially on any worthwhile content, even more so if you use it strategically (right before another JA or WS, to minimize the delay penalty). And you won't even lose all of it if you have Enmity gear/merits, but only 1800 after 30s. The additional enmity you got will still be there after 30s, in case you use another Provoke.

However, barring hate resets (which I've already covered) this isn't really the result you'll see in practice. Hate caps, and VE caps very quickly. Chances are the vast majority of that 1800+ VE will go to waste because you'll cap after about 2.5-3k damage assuming neutral enmity. If you're not capped, you should be focusing on building CE as I mentioned previously since it takes longer to cap and you'll naturally accumulate VE in the process.

[Zerich]

it sounds like the OP is posting about the oldschool style of tanking...you know, the one that's not effective anymore.

[scaevola]

charm is a better taunt than provoke

[Parriah]

Beating a dead horse : Damage = the king of hate.
Nin with Dual wield and the ass loads of haste with the empy set bonus LOL you should be able to have the mobs attention, until EVERYONE gets to the hate LIMIT then you have a mob rotating around it's rather amusing.

If you want to know what I consider a tank, I'll tell you: Holding a mobs Agro/Threat while mitigating as much damage as possible. THAT is tanking.

[Cdryik]

then you have a mob rotating around it's rather amusing.

From my own experience, enmity merit play a big rôle on this. i gave up my enmity merit for spellcast interrupt and since then, i can get some trouble where the mob is rotating. when i had my enmity merit, i didn't have that kind of problem.
You can guess easily that having some enmity while meleeing on auto-attack (well, mostly from merit, i don't see where you can put enmity stuff without losing some power) enhance greatly your holding hate.

[Arcon]

From my own experience, enmity merit play a big rôle on this. i gave up my enmity merit for spellcast interrupt and since then, i can get some trouble where the mob is rotating. when i had my enmity merit, i didn't have that kind of problem.
You can guess easily that having some enmity while meleeing on auto-attack (well, mostly from merit, i don't see where you can put enmity stuff without losing some power) enhance greatly your holding hate.

Not at all. Full Enmity merits is just +10% Enmity generation. However, at cap that doesn't matter, since every melee swing will recap your hate. So the more people are hitting it, the more it will spin, regardless of merits or gear or anything else.

[Ayanoki]

Not at all. Full Enmity merits is just +10% Enmity generation. However, at cap that doesn't matter, since every melee swing will recap your hate. So the more people are hitting it, the more it will spin, regardless of merits or gear or anything else.

Those are more less due to what I call hate spikes, prime example is you have someone who has not touched the mob at all perform a powerful move and turns the mob. These are what I refer to as huge hate spikes. I simply macro in Hate gear with my provoke, just for these causes.

[wish12oz]

Those are more less due to what I call hate spikes, prime example is you have someone who has not touched the mob at all perform a powerful move and turns the mob. These are what I refer to as huge hate spikes. I simply macro in Hate gear with my provoke, just for these causes.

If you were at the hate cap before this 'hate spike' from another player it would turn back to you with your next attack. The real secret to ninja tanking, is capping enmity through damage, and attacking faster then anyone else. Provoke is just an initial action you use to pull a mob off someone else who just pulled it or popped it, or to pull with yourself. It's not useful for gaining or keeping hate.

[Arcon]

Provoke is just an initial action you use to pull a mob off someone else who just pulled it or popped it, or to pull with yourself. It's not useful for gaining or keeping hate.

Unless mages pull hate and the mob pulls away. Provoke is instant, running after it to hit it takes time. Which was my point earlier.

[Kylei]

DNC has great evasion, I can see SE doing something with DANCING TANKS!