Samurai as intended

[Neisan_Quetz]

I said only single target, not also single target.

SE+TE can completely negate multiple attacks (30+) in rapid succession, utsu doesn't come close in such a situation (HF for example)

You have to be beyond unlucky for a fresh TE to vanish after 2 hits. I've almost never seen it on Sam main and usually see it on rare occasions /Sam.

Both that their benefits but for most 2hDD /Sam > /nin for damage mitigation.

Having greater damage mitigation doesn't matter as long as you don't die, that's why Pld tanking has fallen out of favor.

[Alderin]

I said only single target, not also single target.

SE+TE can completely negate multiple attacks (30+) in rapid succession, utsu doesn't come close in such a situation (HF for example)

You have to be beyond unlucky for a fresh TE to vanish after 2 hits. I've almost never seen it on Sam main and usually see it on rare occasions /Sam.

Both that their benefits but for most 2hDD /Sam > /nin for damage mitigation.

Having greater damage mitigation doesn't matter as long as you don't die, that's why Pld tanking has fallen out of favor.

Also / Only... irrelivent. That single target nuke is going to hit a SAM harder then it will hit a NIN (which isn't at all) providing they are well geared & skilled. Unless a mob chainspells - or for some unlucky reason you cannot cast Ni inbetween, a NIN will *NOT* get hit by a single target spell. (once again, providing they have a brain).

As for negate multiple attacks - yes, NIN also has a JA for that - it's a thing called Issekigan and more then terrible Parry skill. If you have been a NIN for a long time - your parry will be nearly or should be capped.

Beyond unlucky? No. Unlucky? Yes. It happens.

I will agree, for 2hDD /SAM > /NIN but we aren't talking about subjobs here. If I recall correctly, this whole thread has been about SAM being about to tank, not WAR/SAM, DRK/SAM, hell even RNG/SAM.. Yes Seigan > Third Eye is more effective then shadows but once again - this isn't a topic of subjobs, it is SAM main's ability to tank. While it exists, I'm sorry, you are kidding yourself if you think SAM is more efficient at damage mitigation then NIN.

PLD tanking is not out of favour. Hmm Voidwatch mean anything to you? If you're not a PLD and want to tank, you can go home. If I recall this original topic was originally brought up regarding stuff outside Abyssea.

I will paint it black and blue for you... NIN/WAR > SAM/Anything for any and all tanking task. I have seen Voidwatch adds eat a SAM alive, yet a NIN can stand there and hold it for the whole fight with very minimal support.

[Dragonlord]

SE+TE can completely negate multiple attacks (30+) in rapid succession, utsu doesn't come close in such a situation (HF for example)

You have to be beyond unlucky for a fresh TE to vanish after 2 hits. I've almost never seen it on Sam main and usually see it on rare occasions /Sam.

Both that their benefits but for most 2hDD /Sam > /nin for damage mitigation.

30+? I've barely ever seen 5 anticipates proc when /sam. That is simply a totally unrealistic number. Also, TE is on a 30 second timer that can't be reduced by haste/fast cast. Utsu has 2 spells each giving 3(more when main nin) shadows who's timer can be reduced to half. I'm not saying DDs should cast utsu:ichi, but claiming TE is better than shadows because it *can* block more hits on rare occasions is a bad example.