Samurai as intended

[Neisan_Quetz]

Most VW groups suck and need a Prd. You can just stop right there.

Bring better support and stop using shitty support as a reason for needing Prd.

Lolwut, not counting a Whm? No shit Prd is gonna last the longest.


EDIT: Aside for tanking adds, that's the biggest use for Prd.

[Brolic]

all this talk about tanking and nobody that vere mnks shits on; mnk, plds and sams?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Totally need that Prd and Nin tank for Pil/Kaggen didn't you hear? "Good" groups have to bring Prd or they're doomed to fail.

/sarcasm

[Daniel_Hatcher]

What's a "prd" when it's at home?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Something I dress up my mannequin with.

[scaevola]

Less talking about /WAR tanking, more testing on how Counterstance interacts with Seigan/TE.

NIN/MNK falls apart because you can't counter with shadows up, but you can counter and not lose TE by Seigan's very design, so ??????

[Alderin]

Less talking about /WAR tanking, more testing on how Counterstance interacts with Seigan/TE.

NIN/MNK falls apart because you can't counter with shadows up, but you can counter and not lose TE by Seigan's very design, so ??????

NIN/MNK has even more tanking potential. Don't know why your using that as an argument. Having counterstance active while recasting shadows means you are very unlikely to get spell interrupt during an already fast Utsusemi recast when shadows drop.

[Kuroganashi]

Less talking about /WAR tanking, more testing on how Counterstance interacts with Seigan/TE.

NIN/MNK falls apart because you can't counter with shadows up, but you can counter and not lose TE by Seigan's very design, so ??????

/MNK be nice for when nin came out, however, nowdays we got something called "Yonin" adds Counter+ and Emperyan armor +2 also Auguments that Counter Rate, so it would add a bit more but not enough to make a huge difference.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you can counterstance tank it at that point you're better off bringing a better DD than Nin and having them /mnk (or just bring a Mnk).

Haven't tested Kabuto+2 and counter rate/does it stack with stance, will try and get around to it sometime before the year ends.

[Delvish]

Man, gone for 3 days on honeymoon and this thread takes off.

Let me just add that Zanshin is now essential for SAM tanking, a thought that has barely been mentioned until these last few posts. Before you run your comparisons, let's make sure we are including the full potential of SAM tank (Zanshin, Seigan, Kabuto +2, TE+zanshin merits) because if you aren't going all in, you aren't going to tank even remotely close to any of the above.