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  1. #61
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    SAM Lv 99
    Mythic sam, ragnarok drk, mythic drg. Those are my top 3 picks. Shoha with lvl 3 aftermath on mythic is just insane 0.o And a 30% boost to drakesbane is just insane too.
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  2. #62
    Player Kristal's Avatar
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    PUP Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonlord View Post
    Pup, ok let's see. First off, pup really can't zerg well. You can't tp feed your automaton like you can for yourself with meditate/temps. So it immediately loses a large chunk of dmg.

    As a DoT DD, it can maintain consistent high dmg WSs, but its melee can't keep up well due to native high delay h2h (unlike mnk).
    You CAN TP feed automatons. Heat Capacitor with triple FM will even beat SAM, although you'd need to use a Kenkonken to use it most effectively. Without KKK, it'll be a bit trickier, but still beats /SAM.

    Also, H2H delay is not the issue when compared between MNK and PUP, PUP can get lower delay then MNK. MNK has the advantage in skill and JAs to give it higher damage per hit, but PUP has the better hits/round (when you include pet.)

    But as someone already mentioned, comparing PUP to other jobs is very difficult. There's too many variables floating around, and too few people that can manage all of them in the midst of battle. Even SE devs have trouble with PUP.
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    "Puppetmaster was our last best hope for peace. It failed.
    Now it's our last best hope.. for victory!"

  3. #63
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    In lowman situations (like dynamis or abyssea) mythic pup should beat a mythic sam. Other than that, no. It's pretty much ryugohige drg or koga sam. Their weaponskills are too powerful.
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  4. #64
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    You CAN TP feed automatons. Heat Capacitor with triple FM will even beat SAM, although you'd need to use a Kenkonken to use it most effectively. Without KKK, it'll be a bit trickier, but still beats /SAM.

    Also, H2H delay is not the issue when compared between MNK and PUP, PUP can get lower delay then MNK. MNK has the advantage in skill and JAs to give it higher damage per hit, but PUP has the better hits/round (when you include pet.)

    But as someone already mentioned, comparing PUP to other jobs is very difficult. There's too many variables floating around, and too few people that can manage all of them in the midst of battle. Even SE devs have trouble with PUP.
    You forgot to mention that a haste capped 2 hander blows any 1 hand DD out of the water. As haste increases, 1 handers fall behind.
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  5. #65
    Player Zamms's Avatar
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    Zamiel
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    WAR Lv 99
    From personal experience from seeing the dmg out put by members of my ls mythic drg lvl 99 polearm has done around 5-6k consistantly to Arch Dynamis Lord. Amano lvl 99 using shoha i have seen hit 10k to ADL but consistant damage is around 5-6k as well. Ragnarok lvl 99 on drk i have seen do around the same as the Amano but I have seen it do around 13k to CC in Abyssea Misereaux. A lvl 99 Apoc I have done 4800 to ADL but more consistant with about 3,900-4k this is with souleater and last resort in effect. We do not have any other mythics in ls to test dmg with yet. As for our Vere mnks they all have switched over or are currently working on ukon due to Vere low damage out put.
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  6. #66
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    Blms say hello..... Thundaja, blizzaja, firaja me-te-orrrrrr. (No my gimped ass ain't got it yet, but once I dooooo, muhahahaha). In any case, we still do cool stuff with our mp..... Dropping 5-6k bombs when ever we darn well please..... Take that muscle bound dd.
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    In our wake will be smoke fire and burnt charred remains of those that have fell before us, We will not remember their names, as they are no more, the next challenge, the next horizon is what we strive for and Demand it be met with Ferocity, We Grin at the Possibility of death, Fear no Mob that walks Vana'diel or it's Realms, there is no tomorrow, there is only now, For pride, for honor, for Glory We are The Knights of Pegasus.

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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawesemo View Post
    Blms say hello..... Thundaja, blizzaja, firaja me-te-orrrrrr. (No my gimped ass ain't got it yet, but once I dooooo, muhahahaha). In any case, we still do cool stuff with our mp..... Dropping 5-6k bombs when ever we darn well please..... Take that muscle bound dd.
    I'm dropping 8k WS whenever I damn well please. And about half of that in melee damage in between. And I never run out of MP.
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    FFXI: Leviathan > Arcon
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    Player Nawesemo's Avatar
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    And goes plop when his epic buffs wear..... and the good ol blms clean up the mess after as usual... :P
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    In our wake will be smoke fire and burnt charred remains of those that have fell before us, We will not remember their names, as they are no more, the next challenge, the next horizon is what we strive for and Demand it be met with Ferocity, We Grin at the Possibility of death, Fear no Mob that walks Vana'diel or it's Realms, there is no tomorrow, there is only now, For pride, for honor, for Glory We are The Knights of Pegasus.

  9. #69
    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawesemo View Post
    And goes plop when his epic buffs wear..... and the good ol blms clean up the mess after as usual... :P
    No buffs .
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    All affirmations are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense.
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    FFXI: Leviathan > Arcon
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    Fail troll is fail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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