Need for DPS - which job is the most damaging?

[Saiken253]

The only job that benefits as much as pup from mythic would be drg, since both jobs use their mythic WS, and receive a straight +15% WS damage. Other jobs with weaker mythic WS are forced to use the WS to activate their AM, and then they'll spam their better WS. Meaning that hidden +15% WS damage isn't adding much to their damage.

Don't forget about Nirvana for SMN~ +40(maybe 45 for 99?) mab and the oat2-3 for smn and pet with Garland of Bliss decreasing the target's defenses by 12.5%? ;3 pretty boss as well imo. would love to get my hands on 1 myself. just need all those alexandrites... near 5k merit BPs mmm~(outside that is)

[Dragonlord]

Don't forget about Nirvana for SMN~ +40(maybe 45 for 99?) mab and the oat2-3 for smn and pet with Garland of Bliss decreasing the target's defenses by 12.5%? ;3 pretty boss as well imo. would love to get my hands on 1 myself. just need all those alexandrites... near 5k merit BPs mmm~(outside that is)

Hmm, well tbh smn is probably the job i know least about, lol. If it's like blm, however, the HQ ele staves will still beat the +40 mab, and the elemental ToM staves go far beyond the HQs. The defense down is pretty irrelavent since defense down does not stack and other jobs like drg (that should be meleeing, unlike smn) grants a better defense down. The oa2-3 for pet would be interesting, but avatar melee dmg is terribly underwhelming to begin with.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Er... Avatars aren't affected by affinity damage boosts last I checked, just the -perp.

The only elemental trial which helps them are the pet: staves.

[Saiken253]

Indeed. the HQ staves only provided perp-3. the ToM smn pet staves also only provided perp-, but with the additional property of basically capping your BP delay- for the pet of that element ToM staff. Nirvana will add around 50% more damage to or pet's magic BPs, the OA2-3 for the pets with more atk is very nice. And i can get 100tp in the time it takes for my BP timer to cooldown ^^ will probably be a little faster with Nirvana(with the whole more attacks and all).

[Neisan_Quetz]

It's quite less than 50%, Celestial Avatars are Blms and have at least MABV.

[Saiken253]

I don't see how people keep thinking that the celestial avatars are blms :< I have never read anywhere that they have any JT.

Regardless, Nirvana would add a tremendous boost to SMNs magic damage.

[Greatguardian]

Define "Tremendous". It's pretty much a 15%-ish increase over Pet:MAB staves, discounting the OAT which is not a huge loss considering how strongly Avatars favor BP damage over white damage.

[Kokorololi]

I don't see how people keep thinking that the celestial avatars are blms :< I have never read anywhere that they have any JT.

Regardless, Nirvana would add a tremendous boost to SMNs magic damage.

They do have job traits. Most of them have MAB. Carbuncle doesn't, it instead has Auto Regen and I believe MDB. I never checked for MDB, but I did check for the others years ago.

[Theytak]

y'all forgot pup

For future reference, from one pup to another, never bring up pup in a conversation like this, because

Pup, ok let's see. First off, pup really can't zerg well. You can't tp feed your automaton like you can for yourself with meditate/temps. So it immediately loses a large chunk of dmg.

As a DoT DD, it can maintain consistent high dmg WSs, but its melee can't keep up well due to native high delay h2h (unlike mnk). Verethragna doesn't add a ton of damage to pup for 2 reasons. Stringing pummel is nearly as good as VS, and AM on h2h is a little gimped because it can only proc on the first hand. Also, this doesn't increase your auto's damage at all.

So finally, pup's savior is its mythic. oa2-3x for the master AND the auto. This increases tp gain and WS damage of both auto and master by a significant degree. In terms of mythics, this one grants one of the highest changes to the job. The ability to spam SP (with a 15% bonus to dmg!) and armor shatterer/string shredder turns pup into a powerhouse DoT.

tl;dr;lolpup - pup can't match other high end DDs until they have a mythic, but i would say pup also beats many high end DDs with said mythic.

is all aggravatingly true. In terms of raw DD, you're only options are get Kenkonken or change jobs. Pup will always shine in it's lowman utility and flexibility in terms of party role, but there's no point even bringing it up in a min-max best DD discussion, sad to say. We are the only job with Cure VI, Thunder V, and the ability to put out strong melee damage (I said strong, not superwarmnksamgodmode, don't flip shit and try to correct me because you define the word "strong" differently), but the job is so difficult to play well and expensive to gear properly, and misunderstood in general, that most people won't bother considering it for any event ever, unless they know the person playing it.

[Saiken253]

They do have job traits. Most of them have MAB. Carbuncle doesn't, it instead has Auto Regen and I believe MDB. I never checked for MDB, but I did check for the others years ago.

If they do have MAB, they definitely don't have enough. but more JTs is a must for out pets, like attack bonus, DA, TA, TH(damn you bsts!), and much much more.