[dev1049] Petition - Make entropy stronger

[Zemarin]

@zemarin: I cast many of the absorb spells(mostly TP for WS and semi-restricting the mob's moves, VIT to slightly increase dmg, STR for the not Torcleaver WS, Attri for the obvious, ACC and DEX for the obvious) but other than attri and TP, they aren't really worth much casting. I wish they made a bigger impact on the fight so that they would be more useful. and yes, a DRK that can't stun is a lousy DRK.

I chose DRK for the fact that it was a warrior that had magic. However, SE's implementation of this was terribly constructed. They need to take a look at DnD Player's Handbook II(3.5 Edition) and look up the class Duskblade. That is precisely how DRK should work(it is even very DRK itself! has a spell that sacrifices HP for more DMG/swing!)

I don't hate drk. It's my absolute favorite job. always has been. however, when +90% of it's spells are useless and it's DPS is outshone greatly by other DDs that it used to be very competitive with, it's very saddening for me. Especially with Tachi: Godmode(Shoha) that's making Masamune useless(has been tested by a LS mate with masa and says Kikugosaku with a 4hit build greatly out damages Masamune/Fudo[4k+ normals 7k+ highs at 100tp; yeah Tanaka is definitely showing which jobs he loves and hates right now]).

As for me, I have to have to either have 200tp or use SE to hit those #s on Resolution, which is not fair imo with the fact that SAM can just pop those out every few seconds and have no drawback. I digress though, because again Tanaka is back and he is gay for sam and a raging troll against SMN DRK and all those other neglected/rejected/abused jobs.

BALANCE!

Your problem is not understanding Each DPS excell and blow at different things. For you balance is DRK being able to kill everything in game like a WAr can on Trash mobs. Even tho 2handed weps was made to be better in the long run the same rule applies as it did back in the HNM days where some jobs are better at end game things awhile others are better at trash/gimmicky things. I find it hard to believe anything with a grain of Defense a monk/sam/drg can out damage a drk on. DRK isn't being Gipped, although some of the Job Abilities like Occult Accumen do benefit blms and sch more. For the most part anything beyond it has been good for drk.

I don't Agree with forcing DRKs to use elemental magic at all and don't understand why their enfeebling magics are so low... however I don't believe drk is horrible for not being TOP Dps seeing as a DRK can take alot of heat esp. with the right sub where as most dps get hammered.. also in situations where the mob has very high def/eva u cant really count on blus/mnks/dncs as reliable dmg/stuns.

Also if you can make the argument that Using En-Dark absorb acc or whatever can hurt ur DPS so can using berserk.. u gotta stop ur animation to use and JA as well as magic regardless. Magic spells help u when the situation deems it necessary and sometimes even when not.

Back on topic.. i still dont find anythign wrong with scythe and if u dont like it plz use a great sword.

[Taint2]

Your problem is not understanding Each DPS excell and blow at different things. For you balance is DRK being able to kill everything in game like a WAr can on Trash mobs. Even tho 2handed weps was made to be better in the long run the same rule applies as it did back in the HNM days where some jobs are better at end game things awhile others are better at trash/gimmicky things. I find it hard to believe anything with a grain of Defense a monk/sam/drg can out damage a drk on. DRK isn't being Gipped, although some of the Job Abilities like Occult Accumen do benefit blms and sch more. For the most part anything beyond it has been good for drk.

I don't Agree with forcing DRKs to use elemental magic at all and don't understand why their enfeebling magics are so low... however I don't believe drk is horrible for not being TOP Dps seeing as a DRK can take alot of heat esp. with the right sub where as most dps get hammered.. also in situations where the mob has very high def/eva u cant really count on blus/mnks/dncs as reliable dmg/stuns.

Also if you can make the argument that Using En-Dark absorb acc or whatever can hurt ur DPS so can using berserk.. u gotta stop ur animation to use and JA as well as magic regardless. Magic spells help u when the situation deems it necessary and sometimes even when not.

Back on topic.. i still dont find anythign wrong with scythe and if u dont like it plz use a great sword.

Zerk vs a spell?

SAM and MNK not good on high def mobs?

Troll attempt?

[Chriscoffey]

Zerk vs a spell?

SAM and MNK not good on high def mobs?

Troll attempt?

It's quite obvious anyone who comments "knowing" we are full of shit about dark are the very same people who don't play it enough comparatively speaking. There is absolutely no comparison from dark to most other melee jobs in just how much they lack for melee DPS/WS with buffs. This always ends up "low man groups" but never acknowledging the simple fact the haste is so easy to cap now. That was what made dark in it's own place in the melee department. The fact haste can be capped on so many jobs pretty much ended that.

[Saiken253]

Indeed. using a JA is much more instantaneous than casting a spell(except for stun, which is roughly the same).

Also, is it wrong to want to do similar damage on an advanced job that is supposed to be the better version of the base job that unlocks DRK? Yes I somewhat have more survivability on DRK than WAR but if you have good enough support(which is what this game is all about) you most likely won't die.

Despite what you think, Scythe desperately needs improvements on all/most of it's WSs. As it stands now, GS does everything scythe does but better(9k Resolutions[high end] says hi). This needs to be rectified, because scythe is my preferred weapon but as things are now a DRK will be viewed as gimp if they use their 1 and only A+ skill, which is their SIGNATURE weapon(in ffxi that is).

[Calamity]

Scythe may be an A+ skill, but I don't see how that makes it any more a signature weapon than it does GS. Drks have always been the best wielder of both weapons. I think the very idea of one weapon being superior to the other is a mistake. I mean really, the difference in skill between scythe and GS is what now, 7-8 points? That's negligible on anything. This is not an attack on scythe, this is an attack on the idea that scythe is any more deserving than GS as a drk's weapon of choice.

[StingRay104]

Indeed. using a JA is much more instantaneous than casting a spell(except for stun, which is roughly the same).

Also, is it wrong to want to do similar damage on an advanced job that is supposed to be the better version of the base job that unlocks DRK? Yes I somewhat have more survivability on DRK than WAR but if you have good enough support(which is what this game is all about) you most likely won't die.

Despite what you think, Scythe desperately needs improvements on all/most of it's WSs. As it stands now, GS does everything scythe does but better(9k Resolutions[high end] says hi). This needs to be rectified, because scythe is my preferred weapon but as things are now a DRK will be viewed as gimp if they use their 1 and only A+ skill, which is their SIGNATURE weapon(in ffxi that is).

Whats the first weapon every DRK gets, do you remember the quest? Its a GS. Thats right the quest to unlock the job starts you off with a GS, and that weapon can be upgraded through another quest. Its funny how many people (myself included) forget this, but that shouldn't be the complete point, after all how many jobs have main weapons in the A- range? The point is that GS and Scythe are DRK signature weapons, and thus increases in both fields are beneficial to the job. Now for years GS has been ignored when it came to a good souleater ws but now that has been corrected, now we just need a decent scythe ws, and personally I think Entropy is fine where its at because it offers great utility for casting spells, but people want raw damage. I have always thought Insurgency needed a buff and by making it crit then that would give scythe something, also Quietus needs a damage boost because it is still quite weak, however entropy seems right on the money, its slightly better than guillotine but gives mp (instead of drains which would be useless on no mp mobs).

[Concerned4FFxi]

Its just silly no matter how one looks at the picture that in order for any dark to compete with other dd classes in THEIR MAIN WEAPON CLASS, they need a relic weapon.

Empyrean is garbage, mythic (idk and boy are mythics alot of work).

In the case of a non-relic drk they need to use a GS and the new merit ws or again use another GS from the empyrean path. This is crazy, why are all scythe ws junk and it's the drk's main weapon? WAR gets a decent mythic, empyrean, relic, and now merited ws for their GA, plus they get access to the new merited GS ws. Really, why play drk without a merit? Its not like the job gets the same WS JA bonuses WAR gets, or even a decent WS for their main weapon. loldrk

If this is gonna be how it is, then give DRK A+ skill in GS and call it what it is, loldrk.

[Calamity]

Its just silly no matter how one looks at the picture that in order for any dark to compete with other dd classes in THEIR MAIN WEAPON CLASS, they need a relic weapon.

Empyrean is garbage, mythic (idk and boy are mythics alot of work).

In the case of a non-relic drk they need to use a GS and the new merit ws or again use another GS from the empyrean path. This is crazy, why are all scythe ws junk and it's the drk's main weapon? WAR gets a decent mythic, empyrean, relic, and now merited ws for their GA, plus they get access to the new merited GS ws. Really, why play drk without a merit? Its not like the job gets the same WS JA bonuses WAR gets, or even a decent WS for their main weapon. loldrk

If this is gonna be how it is, then give DRK A+ skill in GS and call it what it is, loldrk.

Say what you will. I use GS and my dark performs exceedingly well. Drk done right is not by any means "lol". This is more than likely your own personal experience with your own personal drk. And as mentioned before, the difference between A- and A+ skill is about 7 points. This isn't going to make any noticable difference on anything.

I also explained before the reason why GS gets better WS's than Scythe. Name any single other way in which GS is stronger than scythe. Base damage, not even close. Ease of TP build? No chance. This is that "balance" thing SE talks about so much. But why complain? Drk is a master of GS and scythe both. War's never been capable of making full use out of the GS and neither has pld. GS is a dark knight's territory. And I keep noting people raising hell that war can use the new GS ws. Guess what? They can use the new scythe ws also. So can bst. Why not raise holy hell about that too?

I always see drks bitching about SE never giving drks anything good, then suddenly they give us a new ws that's pretty awesome, and of total benefit to the drk, and now I see pages and pages of complaints that SE did give us something we can use, but we want something else. And as has been stated by a few people already, Entropy may not be as overwhelmingly powerful as people hoped, but it is an upgrade to guillotine. Nobody seems to be happy with that fact either.

I'm not against either weapon, I'm pro both. But that doesn't mean I demand both to be super powerful, just means I'll be happy with the strongest of either category. If tomorrow scythe suddenly shot out ahead, I'd prolly start using it. But for now I'm happy and content with GS as my weapon of choice.

[Dart]

Your problem is not understanding Each DPS excell and blow at different things. For you balance is DRK being able to kill everything in game like a WAr can on Trash mobs. Even tho 2handed weps was made to be better in the long run the same rule applies as it did back in the HNM days where some jobs are better at end game things awhile others are better at trash/gimmicky things. I find it hard to believe anything with a grain of Defense a monk/sam/drg can out damage a drk on. DRK isn't being Gipped, although some of the Job Abilities like Occult Accumen do benefit blms and sch more. For the most part anything beyond it has been good for drk.

I don't Agree with forcing DRKs to use elemental magic at all and don't understand why their enfeebling magics are so low... however I don't believe drk is horrible for not being TOP Dps seeing as a DRK can take alot of heat esp. with the right sub where as most dps get hammered.. also in situations where the mob has very high def/eva u cant really count on blus/mnks/dncs as reliable dmg/stuns.

Also if you can make the argument that Using En-Dark absorb acc or whatever can hurt ur DPS so can using berserk.. u gotta stop ur animation to use and JA as well as magic regardless. Magic spells help u when the situation deems it necessary and sometimes even when not.

Back on topic.. i still dont find anythign wrong with scythe and if u dont like it plz use a great sword.

you can't be serious, it literally has to be impossible to be this blind.

[Saiken253]

@Stingray104

I agree with you on the point that neither GS nor scythe should be stronger than the other. I wan them to both be equivalent in damage and utility. before, GS and scythe were the utility weapons(with different effects) with sleep and paralysis being on GS and Scythe has blind and silence. Why force scythe to then be super utility and then GS be super damage? why not they be equal?

I know what people will say, them being equal is stupid, but please stop being ignorant. Them being equal would allow DRKs to play exactly the way they want to play and not be laughed at for not using GS(now) or Scythe(then). I want to be able to use either and have that kind of variety in my favorite melee job.

Making either GS or Scythe superior to the other is just unfair to us DRKs.