[dev1049] Petition - Make entropy stronger

[Armangetto]

I did some more testing with Entropy today on elder gubues in the boyha tree. (Sorry I have no Idea where or what mobs to use outside of abyssea for testing so I figured I would use a place I used to farm and for Magian trials.)

The 1st batch was done with +59 int + 65 str 930 attack with last resort, 10% da.

2526
1654
1712
2132
2093
3127
1350
2114
2016
3001

The 1350 missed the 1st hit, the 3001 was 300 tp possable da proc and the 3127 was with soul eater on. The rest were at 100 tp.

The 2nd bach was done with +59 int + 65 str 930 attack with last resort, 3% da(I forgot to take off atheling mantle). This time I use absorb int and the shadow gorget and belt. I use dark seal and neither void to get more int from absorb int. Int was +79(no seal/neither void) +94 (with seal/neither void).

2634
2678
2557
2951
2408
2702
3033
2618
3060
2938

The 3000s were done at 100 tp no da proc.

In my opinion the elemental gorget/belt stacked with as much int as possable, taking to acount acc, att, ect, boosts Entropys dmg quite a bit. I belive that it is a bit stronger than Guillotine. I think because we lack int gear to test entropy on the test server, might be why people think Entropy dmg is bad and worse than Guillotine. Hence why I used absorb int and seal/void to get a massive boost to int for testing.

In summery I belive Entroy can out dmg Guillotine using elemental belt/gorget with enough int (maybe equal int to the amount str you would gear for Guillotine?), wich also helps close the gap dmg wise bettween entroy and resolution but will probaly never out dmg resoultion.

i hope this helps out the people who know how to test entropy and the new ws in general.

[Natasha]

Question really isnt anything having to do with guillotine, scythe has been lackluster .... well since ever. Now with GS getting resolution there is pretty much no reason at all to use scythe.. I think. The weapon skill is still lacking.

[Saiken253]

I support this 100%. I've been a drk player ever since the job was released. I have always loved the combination of melee and magic(with more emphasis on melee; blu would be the reverse in a way). I don't believe what people are saying with Scythe being the Utility weapon for DRK. It wouldn't be our A+ weapon if it were. In fact, GS was/is more utility than scythe (sleepga WS, paralyze WS, ect).

From what I hear and have read, Entropy needs a huge boost. And for all those people that are making arguments against making Entropy = Resolution here's what I have to say. Personalization/specialization. Sure we can have BOTH if we really wanted, and so what? WAR can use Resolution and with Mighty Strikes that would be an insane WS, will they do that? maybe maybe not.

I have a caladbolg, and I wouldn't have gotten it if quietus was any good, and before Torcleaver I was a die-hard scythe DRK. I miss using my scythe, because I know it(outside Apocalypse) is a joke now. Having our best weapon being the worst weapon in the game is unfair. Especially since it has the highest damage rating. I say make Entropy = Resolution so that DRKs can start playing exactly the way they want to and not get laughed at regardless of their decision.

Again, I support this thread 100%, no- make that 200%.

[Armangetto]

I agree that Entropy does need a boost to be competitive with resoultion. Im just saying, I believe entropy is better than guillotine when geared properly. Also Quiteus needs a major boost.

[Natasha]

thanks for the support~

[Calamity]

So, I'm not against it, but at the same time I haven't decided whether or not I'm for it. But one thing that keeps bothering me that I keep reading throughout this, is the number of people who seem to regard greatsword as being an not being as suitable a weapon for drk as scythe. While it is true that we do have a higher skill in scythe, what other job can really make as good a use out of GS as a drk? Not pld. They just don't have the means to but forth the DD to make this feasible. And not war. Despite having the second highest GS skill, they've always been denied all the decent WS's up til now. So though we be the scythe masters of the game, we're also the true GS masters as well.

Therein lies my problem. While this thread was built because scythe seems to be overshadowed by GS, all I'm seeing is people who think GS should be overshadowed by scythe. This I believe to be wrong.

And when you think about it, it's not so hard to understand why SE made this WS weaker. It's been said multiple times in fact. Scythe is, in fact, our the most powerful weapon type in the game. It's base damage is huge, especially compared to GS. It's also almost effortless to make a 5 hit with it, whereas with GS you need to build up your store tp to build your 6 hit. That said, it's not really hard to understand SE's decision, it's that balance thing they're always talking about. The higher damage weapon with the lower xhit gets the weaker ws, while the lower damage ws with the higher xhit gets the stronger one. I'd not be surprised to see Camate pop in here and say something similar.

All that said, again, I'm not really opposing this petition, nor am I trying to flame or degradate it, I'm just trying to add additional perspective. No more, no less.

[Natasha]

Thats a fair enough statement, I personally do not wish for either to be 'over shadowed' by the other. I want them both to be strong.

[Cljader1]

So, I'm not against it, but at the same time I haven't decided whether or not I'm for it. But one thing that keeps bothering me that I keep reading throughout this, is the number of people who seem to regard greatsword as being an not being as suitable a weapon for drk as scythe. While it is true that we do have a higher skill in scythe, what other job can really make as good a use out of GS as a drk? Not pld. They just don't have the means to but forth the DD to make this feasible. And not war. Despite having the second highest GS skill, they've always been denied all the decent WS's up til now. So though we be the scythe masters of the game, we're also the true GS masters as well.

Therein lies my problem. While this thread was built because scythe seems to be overshadowed by GS, all I'm seeing is people who think GS should be overshadowed by scythe. This I believe to be wrong.

And when you think about it, it's not so hard to understand why SE made this WS weaker. It's been said multiple times in fact. Scythe is, in fact, our the most powerful weapon type in the game. It's base damage is huge, especially compared to GS. It's also almost effortless to make a 5 hit with it, whereas with GS you need to build up your store tp to build your 6 hit. That said, it's not really hard to understand SE's decision, it's that balance thing they're always talking about. The higher damage weapon with the lower xhit gets the weaker ws, while the lower damage ws with the higher xhit gets the stronger one. I'd not be surprised to see Camate pop in here and say something similar.

All that said, again, I'm not really opposing this petition, nor am I trying to flame or degradate it, I'm just trying to add additional perspective. No more, no less.

I understand what your saying but if GS is stronger than Scythe its a huge problem, granted that a warrior will be able to use Resolution. Drk even with a -A skill wont be able to buff a resolution like a war can, Drk has LR and SE too buff the ws whereas a war has Mighty Strikes, Berserk, Restraint, Blood Rage, Warrior Charge, and on top of all that they have native Double Attack JT and Double Attack Merits. If war is able to use this weaponskill it will outright embarrass drks, thats what the huge problem its, SE needs to put scythe back on top or give drks a JA that gives buffs or enhances them when using a GS.

[Yukichibi]

I understand what your saying but if GS is stronger than Scythe its a huge problem, granted that a warrior will be able to use Resolution. Drk even with a -A skill wont be able to buff a resolution like a war can, Drk has LR and SE too buff the ws whereas a war has Mighty Strikes, Berserk, Restraint, Blood Rage, Warrior Charge, and on top of all that they have native Double Attack JT and Double Attack Merits. If war is able to use this weaponskill it will outright embarrass drks, thats what the huge problem its, SE needs to put scythe back on top or give drks a JA that gives buffs or enhances them when using a GS.

War is elligible to entropy too.

[Cljader1]

War is elligible to entropy too.

If they can it'll be with a real crappy scythe, they have much better choices on GS....Are the new WS's based on combat skill?