[dev1049] Petition - Make entropy stronger

[StingRay104]

Indeed. using a JA is much more instantaneous than casting a spell(except for stun, which is roughly the same).

Also, is it wrong to want to do similar damage on an advanced job that is supposed to be the better version of the base job that unlocks DRK? Yes I somewhat have more survivability on DRK than WAR but if you have good enough support(which is what this game is all about) you most likely won't die.

Despite what you think, Scythe desperately needs improvements on all/most of it's WSs. As it stands now, GS does everything scythe does but better(9k Resolutions[high end] says hi). This needs to be rectified, because scythe is my preferred weapon but as things are now a DRK will be viewed as gimp if they use their 1 and only A+ skill, which is their SIGNATURE weapon(in ffxi that is).

Whats the first weapon every DRK gets, do you remember the quest? Its a GS. Thats right the quest to unlock the job starts you off with a GS, and that weapon can be upgraded through another quest. Its funny how many people (myself included) forget this, but that shouldn't be the complete point, after all how many jobs have main weapons in the A- range? The point is that GS and Scythe are DRK signature weapons, and thus increases in both fields are beneficial to the job. Now for years GS has been ignored when it came to a good souleater ws but now that has been corrected, now we just need a decent scythe ws, and personally I think Entropy is fine where its at because it offers great utility for casting spells, but people want raw damage. I have always thought Insurgency needed a buff and by making it crit then that would give scythe something, also Quietus needs a damage boost because it is still quite weak, however entropy seems right on the money, its slightly better than guillotine but gives mp (instead of drains which would be useless on no mp mobs).

[Concerned4FFxi]

Its just silly no matter how one looks at the picture that in order for any dark to compete with other dd classes in THEIR MAIN WEAPON CLASS, they need a relic weapon.

Empyrean is garbage, mythic (idk and boy are mythics alot of work).

In the case of a non-relic drk they need to use a GS and the new merit ws or again use another GS from the empyrean path. This is crazy, why are all scythe ws junk and it's the drk's main weapon? WAR gets a decent mythic, empyrean, relic, and now merited ws for their GA, plus they get access to the new merited GS ws. Really, why play drk without a merit? Its not like the job gets the same WS JA bonuses WAR gets, or even a decent WS for their main weapon. loldrk

If this is gonna be how it is, then give DRK A+ skill in GS and call it what it is, loldrk.

[Calamity]

Its just silly no matter how one looks at the picture that in order for any dark to compete with other dd classes in THEIR MAIN WEAPON CLASS, they need a relic weapon.

Empyrean is garbage, mythic (idk and boy are mythics alot of work).

In the case of a non-relic drk they need to use a GS and the new merit ws or again use another GS from the empyrean path. This is crazy, why are all scythe ws junk and it's the drk's main weapon? WAR gets a decent mythic, empyrean, relic, and now merited ws for their GA, plus they get access to the new merited GS ws. Really, why play drk without a merit? Its not like the job gets the same WS JA bonuses WAR gets, or even a decent WS for their main weapon. loldrk

If this is gonna be how it is, then give DRK A+ skill in GS and call it what it is, loldrk.

Say what you will. I use GS and my dark performs exceedingly well. Drk done right is not by any means "lol". This is more than likely your own personal experience with your own personal drk. And as mentioned before, the difference between A- and A+ skill is about 7 points. This isn't going to make any noticable difference on anything.

I also explained before the reason why GS gets better WS's than Scythe. Name any single other way in which GS is stronger than scythe. Base damage, not even close. Ease of TP build? No chance. This is that "balance" thing SE talks about so much. But why complain? Drk is a master of GS and scythe both. War's never been capable of making full use out of the GS and neither has pld. GS is a dark knight's territory. And I keep noting people raising hell that war can use the new GS ws. Guess what? They can use the new scythe ws also. So can bst. Why not raise holy hell about that too?

I always see drks bitching about SE never giving drks anything good, then suddenly they give us a new ws that's pretty awesome, and of total benefit to the drk, and now I see pages and pages of complaints that SE did give us something we can use, but we want something else. And as has been stated by a few people already, Entropy may not be as overwhelmingly powerful as people hoped, but it is an upgrade to guillotine. Nobody seems to be happy with that fact either.

I'm not against either weapon, I'm pro both. But that doesn't mean I demand both to be super powerful, just means I'll be happy with the strongest of either category. If tomorrow scythe suddenly shot out ahead, I'd prolly start using it. But for now I'm happy and content with GS as my weapon of choice.

[Saiken253]

@Stingray104

I agree with you on the point that neither GS nor scythe should be stronger than the other. I wan them to both be equivalent in damage and utility. before, GS and scythe were the utility weapons(with different effects) with sleep and paralysis being on GS and Scythe has blind and silence. Why force scythe to then be super utility and then GS be super damage? why not they be equal?

I know what people will say, them being equal is stupid, but please stop being ignorant. Them being equal would allow DRKs to play exactly the way they want to play and not be laughed at for not using GS(now) or Scythe(then). I want to be able to use either and have that kind of variety in my favorite melee job.

Making either GS or Scythe superior to the other is just unfair to us DRKs.

[Calamity]

@Stingray104

I agree with you on the point that neither GS nor scythe should be stronger than the other. I wan them to both be equivalent in damage and utility. before, GS and scythe were the utility weapons(with different effects) with sleep and paralysis being on GS and Scythe has blind and silence. Why force scythe to then be super utility and then GS be super damage? why not they be equal?

I know what people will say, them being equal is stupid, but please stop being ignorant. Them being equal would allow DRKs to play exactly the way they want to play and not be laughed at for not using GS(now) or Scythe(then). I want to be able to use either and have that kind of variety in my favorite melee job.

Making either GS or Scythe superior to the other is just unfair to us DRKs.

But how would you do this? It's not as simple as just matching their WS potential. Making scythe WS's = to GS would only serve to kill GS. If both had equally strong ws's, the GS supporters would instead be ridiculed for using a low damage weapon with a worse xhit instead of a 4-5 hit high damage scythe. The only way I can see to make the two weapons perfectly equal is to have them be exact mirror images of each other in damage, delay and WS damage, and at that point, why even bother having multiple weapon choices?

[StingRay104]

@Stingray104

I agree with you on the point that neither GS nor scythe should be stronger than the other. I wan them to both be equivalent in damage and utility. before, GS and scythe were the utility weapons(with different effects) with sleep and paralysis being on GS and Scythe has blind and silence. Why force scythe to then be super utility and then GS be super damage? why not they be equal?

I know what people will say, them being equal is stupid, but please stop being ignorant. Them being equal would allow DRKs to play exactly the way they want to play and not be laughed at for not using GS(now) or Scythe(then). I want to be able to use either and have that kind of variety in my favorite melee job.

Making either GS or Scythe superior to the other is just unfair to us DRKs.

The biggest problem with people saying that they want scythe and GS damage to be equal is that they mean equal, as in the same exact damage. Scythe and GS have always had to be different in damage because of balance issues, GS needs the high damage ws's because its lower delay means it takes longer to build tp, whereas scythe has higher delay and base damage meaning its ws's should be a little weaker to make up for the higher tp gain and higher base damage.

As for utility, enfeebling effects on ws's are forgotten effects, seriously does guillotine cause silence, who knows, really at best you get it to interupt spells like gekko does, point is ws effects are by and large pointless with 2 exceptions, HP drain and MP gain. The relic ws catastrophe and entropy are very useful ws's and provide much for DRKs with them, and thus considering that Entropy is in fact stronger than guillotine and has the nice added bonus of mp gain it seems like a no brainer to me. However I also understand that scythe still lacks in the damage area and has fallen behind against GS and I would agree that certain ws's like Insurgency and Quietus need strong damage buffs (crit for Insurgency and higher tp mod for Quietus) but I think Entropy is just fine where it is. Torcleaver had a vit build on it and that was difficult til 90 when they introduced better gear with vit for DRK to build on with for strong ws sets, but I have always noticed good int gear on DRK.

As I agree making either stronger is not the way to seek BALANCE, yet I can't agree with entropy getting the desired boost you want because at this point it is a very great and useful ws.


PS: I just got done celebrating the downfall of the super broken Ukko;s Fury and can't wait to see DRK get back in the game of being a great DD.

[Hextitan]

PS: I just got done celebrating the downfall of the super broken Ukko;s Fury and can't wait to see DRK get back in the game of being a great DD.

This mind state is moronic. Nerfing another job does nothing for DRK. I don't think you grasp how weak our WSs are compared to Ukko's Fury. They'd have to nerf the WS to oblivion for any of our WS to come close to it....and even then it's still STR based with a chance to crit.

The fact that DRKs are so hard up that they'd actually cheer another job getting nerfed speaks volumes on how bad the job currently is.

[Chriscoffey]

This mind state is moronic. Nerfing another job does nothing for DRK. I don't think you grasp how weak our WSs are compared to Ukko's Fury. They'd have to nerf the WS to oblivion for any of our WS to come close to it....and even then it's still STR based with a chance to crit.

The fact that DRKs are so hard up that they'd actually cheer another job getting nerfed speaks volumes on how bad the job currently is.

It has been like that for years but it seems every other job made light of the simple fact SE trolled us with bullshit ja/spells/etc that are useless in most cases. This was all fine with everyone that we were the "emo" crowd till a "slight" nerf to warrior and you would think the fucking walls are falling in on everyone. Go find yourself some razor blades now because this nerfing jobs (except sam) won't be over anytime soon.

[Hextitan]

It has been like that for years but it seems every other job made light of the simple fact SE trolled us with bullshit ja/spells/etc that are useless in most cases. This was all fine with everyone that we were the "emo" crowd till a "slight" nerf to warrior and you would think the fucking walls are falling in on everyone. Go find yourself some razor blades now because this nerfing jobs (except sam) won't be over anytime soon.

I'm a career DRK. Been playing since day 1 when the game came out in the U.S. I think it's pathetic that some of you are so disenchanted with the game, and DRK specifically, that you'd actually cheer another job getting nerfed. And then try to rationalize it by saying "well, DRK got sh*tted on for years and no one cared!"....do you have any idea how petty and childish you sound?

[Taint2]

PS: I just got done celebrating the downfall of the super broken Ukko;s Fury and can't wait to see DRK get back in the game of being a great DD.

Nerfing isn't good for anyone. Ask anyone that had Apoc pre2007 or did a RNGburn or was a RDMtank etc. UF WARs helped me as a DRK, killing stuff faster is good for everyone.