[dev1049] Petition - Make entropy stronger

[Saiken253]

that's fine that it can make Darkness and all. but if you have a TEAM MATE in this TEAM BASED game, you could easily make Darkness with Crossreaper(which will do more damage than Entropy). The second problem is, you really don't need all that MP back that Entropy gives you. DRK doesn't have any spells worth using~(because, as stated by others, casting spells seriously hurts your DPS). I hear, however, that SE might be giving us DRKs Darkness 1 and 2(Holy counterparts). Yet again, in this team based game and with all the refresh gear that you can get for drk, I still won't be running out of MP any time soon(as an elvaan). I might put 1 merit into it and be 4/5 of Shoha(because Shoha at 4/5 is still a godly WS) or another WS, just for the MP recovery in case the Darkness spells are any good(but knowing SE they're going to be absolute crap).

[Zemarin]

when you pt gonna wipe to an OP move stuns worth casting...
When ur missing alot Absorb ACC is worth casting...
Absorb TP is worth Casting even if you are at the haste cap, cause um it hinder TP moves from mobs, maybe not so good when low on HP but when mobs are storing TP to WS early fight its a pretty good idea.
If your dying Drain is worth casting, same with Drain 2...
If the mob is buffed Absorb Attri is worth casting..
I find alot of spells worth casting. Honestly if you worried about 'not' casting and your 'DPS' so much I don't even understand why you chose to play DRK in the first place... go play Warrior or Monk?

How can u honestly expect to have a job that does more/equal DPS then other Melee jobs and has the Ability to basically debuff/stun a mob indirectly.

I can agree it would be nicer if they lowered Dark Magic cast time for DRK and made a DRK MAGIC that actually does some DAMAGE rather then forcing us to use weak elemental magic. but other than that if you don't wanna cast on DRK go play Warrior plz.

[Taint2]

when you pt gonna wipe to an OP move stuns worth casting...
When ur missing alot Absorb ACC is worth casting...
Absorb TP is worth Casting even if you are at the haste cap, cause um it hinder TP moves from mobs, maybe not so good when low on HP but when mobs are storing TP to WS early fight its a pretty good idea.
If your dying Drain is worth casting, same with Drain 2...
If the mob is buffed Absorb Attri is worth casting..
I find alot of spells worth casting. Honestly if you worried about 'not' casting and your 'DPS' so much I don't even understand why you chose to play DRK in the first place... go play Warrior or Monk?

How can u honestly expect to have a job that does more/equal DPS then other Melee jobs and has the Ability to basically debuff/stun a mob indirectly.

I can agree it would be nicer if they lowered Dark Magic cast time for DRK and made a DRK MAGIC that actually does some DAMAGE rather then forcing us to use weak elemental magic. but other than that if you don't wanna cast on DRK go play Warrior plz.

Sure you can play DRK like that, or you can play it correctly. Its your 15bucks....

[Zemarin]

Then what makes it even MORE retarded about ppl QQING about DRK is that GREAT SWORD Actually brings DRK damage back up... so its not even QQing about the lack of DPS on DRK its drk's QQing cause they can't use SCYTHE to play like Warriors. So stupid.. whole drk thread is stupid.. if you hate drk so much just quit it.

Unlike Most DD's Drk's have options and utility... and if you don't wanna Cast on a Job that has MP... why would you even bother playing it? It's not hard to understand that Drk's augment their melee potential thru magic rather than Job abilities.

[Rohelius]

Then what makes it even MORE retarded about ppl QQING about DRK is that GREAT SWORD Actually brings DRK damage back up... so its not even QQing about the lack of DPS on DRK its drk's QQing cause they can't use SCYTHE to play like Warriors. So stupid.. whole drk thread is stupid.. if you hate drk so much just quit it.

Unlike Most DD's Drk's have options and utility... and if you don't wanna Cast on a Job that has MP... why would you even bother playing it? It's not hard to understand that Drk's augment their melee potential thru magic rather than Job abilities.

Oh I've been saying that for a while now.
Some of the people in here are so arrogant and think they know "the correct" way to play it then go cry about the job being broken in some aspects like the magical side and doing anything but "WS - Hit fast - WS".

Guess what, you can't say there is a correct way to play something that's broken that doesn't make sense.
You can say that the physical side of drk was much stronger then the magical side and so in true playerbase mentality the best way it was applyed was tru the haste zerg 2hr hit spam, and it was so good now they won't accept anything else unless it takes them back to that.

[Taint2]

Oh I've been saying that for a while now.
Some of the people in here are so arrogant and think they know "the correct" way to play it then go cry about the job being broken in some aspects like the magical side and doing anything but "WS - Hit fast - WS".

Guess what, you can't say there is a correct way to play something that's broken that doesn't make sense.
You can say that the physical side of drk was much stronger then the magical side and so in true playerbase mentality the best way it was applyed was tru the haste zerg 2hr hit spam, and it was so good now they won't accept anything else unless it takes them back to that.

The correct way to play is one that accomplishes the most in the shortest amount of time. Nothing DRK cast besides stun and a prebuff endark does that.

If you were building an alliance and you could pick from one DRK that likes to cast debuffs and drain with mediocure damage, and one that full out DDs for good damage but doesn't bother to ever cast which would you pick?

I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR. The job works fine for me.

[Zemarin]

The correct way to play is one that accomplishes the most in the shortest amount of time. Nothing DRK cast besides stun and a prebuff endark does that.

If you were building an alliance and you could pick from one DRK that likes to cast debuffs and drain with mediocure damage, and one that full out DDs for good damage but doesn't bother to ever cast which would you pick?

I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR. The job works fine for me.

Aparrently not

According to the thread drks are useless... I guess i should get on monk thread and start QQin about monks not having a puppet to follow it around and cure it..

Or pups not having coounter stance.

[Rohelius]

If you were building an alliance and you could pick from one DRK that likes to cast debuffs and drain with mediocure damage, and one that full out DDs for good damage but doesn't bother to ever cast which would you pick?

I do not have a "He sucks" list.
I do not go around telling people how to play their jobs in-game, i do however relay strategies and tactics to make it clear to anyone when its okay to back off and cast and when to zerg.
I thought that was how this game worked team work and communication, not "lol u suck /kickmember"

/facepalm

If it takes a relic to make the job work there might be something wrong.

Judging by this you think DRK with no relic doesn't work, so that gives me some insight as to why you say DRK is broken but you are happy with what it can do for you. basically no relic = your doing it wrong so that hypothetical
scenario i just answered falls on def ears :/

I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR. The job works fine for me.

Your tanking in tanking gear that means your precious DPS goes out the window!? sacrilegious according to all the Xhit or gtfo threads.
I fully agree with the argument that DRK can do more then just xhit WS spam you apparently know this, but just because relic makes it better doesn't mean that no relic automatically makes it suck.

[Taint2]

I do not have a "He sucks" list.
I do not go around telling people how to play their jobs in-game, i do however relay strategies and tactics to make it clear to anyone when its okay to back off and cast and when to zerg.
I thought that was how this game worked team work and communication, not "lol u suck /kickmember"



Judging by this you think DRK with no relic doesn't work, so that gives me some insight as to why you say DRK is broken but you are happy with what it can do for you. basically no relic = your doing it wrong so that hypothetical
scenario i just answered falls on def ears :/


Your tanking in tanking gear that means your precious DPS goes out the window!? sacrilegious according to all the Xhit or gtfo threads.
I fully agree with the argument that DRK can do more then just xhit WS spam you apparently know this, but just because relic makes it better doesn't mean that no relic automatically makes it suck.

I do keep track of players that suck and those that dont, its important esp now with VW being the focus.

I never once mentioned you need an Apoc, it does help, but I tank just fine using Caladborg when GS is a proc. Keeping hate and proper support are what makes a DRK tank work.

Ofcourse I tank in tank gear. I also have a proper xhit and DD gear for when I'm trying to regain hate or when temps are up.

[Finuve]

Then what makes it even MORE retarded about ppl QQING about DRK is that GREAT SWORD Actually brings DRK damage back up... so its not even QQing about the lack of DPS on DRK its drk's QQing cause they can't use SCYTHE to play like Warriors. So stupid.. whole drk thread is stupid.. if you hate drk so much just quit it.

Unlike Most DD's Drk's have options and utility... and if you don't wanna Cast on a Job that has MP... why would you even bother playing it? It's not hard to understand that Drk's augment their melee potential thru magic rather than Job abilities.

wait seriously, what spell does that? I've been trying to find it for years