Balance out Empyrean Weapon Magian Trials

[sandman]

This isn't a relic thread, take that subject matter where it belongs.

All the empyrean NM's are pretty easy to beat, what I and alot of other people mean by balancing out the empyreans is the amount of time required to trigger Chloris and Glavoid versus the other NM's. Time is a premium in abyssea not difficulty.

[MarkovChain]

I doubt SE would let Relics/Mythics go to 99 but keep Empyreans at 90. It's just not going to happen. On the road to 99, it could be that the difficulty among the weapons will be evened out.

Empyrean weapon (and relics) are unlikely to become the next best weapons. They are considered THE reward (with the AF3) of abyssea. It doesn't make sense to keep them going on after abyssea and after the next level caps. If the next great weapon doesn't come from a new endgame it would also kill said endgame activities seing as we are completely unlikely to see exceptionnal boosts on gear ( see : haste, attack, str all capping, easily and since forever, acc being useless since pizza exists).

[Byrth]

Empyrean weapon (and relics) are unlikely to become the next best weapons. They are considered THE reward (with the AF3) of abyssea. It doesn't make sense to keep them going on after abyssea and after the next level caps. If the next great weapon doesn't come from a new endgame it would also kill said endgame activities seing as we are completely unlikely to see exceptionnal boosts on gear ( see : haste, attack, str all capping, easily and since forever, acc being useless since pizza exists).

So I guess you're proposing a new weapon line to be the "ultimate" weapons? I guess it could happen.

Empyreans = Abyssea "final weapon"
Relics = RotZ "final weapon"
Mythics = ToAU "final weapon"
WotG = lol freaking WotG.

[MarkovChain]

I'm not following this logic because previous extensions didn't come with level caps increase. I think AF3+2 will stop here and maybe weapon will get mediocre ToTM boosts with further levels. But technically wotg has some weapons, those with campaign only ws . They already said that they are going to bring new armors, so probably weapons too.

[Byrth]

I don't know, I don't get it.

Relics and Mythics were buffed up to 90 (+15/25% WS damage isn't nothing), why wouldn't Empyreans continue to be buffed? They're all expansion "final weapons." And yeah, I guess you could consider WotG's "final weapons" to be the campaign ones, but they're just so terrible outside of Campaign. Lex Talonis is notable for being the best slashing sword that Dancer can use, but that's about the only use I see for any of the weapons these days.

[Alhanelem]

Empyreans = Abyssea "final weapon"
Relics = RotZ "final weapon"
Mythics = ToAU "final weapon"
WotG = lol freaking WotG.

You left out

lol freaking CoP.

[Rambus]

At 85, I would have agreed with you. However, you're overlooking the trials to get them to 85 and 90. There's also no reason that weapons have to be equally easy to obtain.

Fistule (Easy) -> Bukhis (hardest of that tier) -> Alfard (Easy, but you need pops)
Glavoid (Hardest of that tier) -> Itzapapalotz (Mediocre because of Tunga) -> Orthrus (Easy to Mediocre due to pops)
Chloris (2nd Hardest) -> Ulhuldashi (Easy) -> Dragua (Easy)
Carabosse (Easy) -> Ciren (Easy) -> Isgebind (Easy, but hard to get help for)
Briarius (Mediocre) -> Sobek (Easy) -> Apademak (Hard)
Kulkulkan (Mediocre) -> Sedna (Mediocre to Difficult thanks to the fish) -> Azdaja (Hard)
Iron Giants (Easy) -> T3 VNMs (Hard to get pops for) -> Apademak/Azdaja (Hard)

Unless you're complaining that the Harp, Shield, and Staff are harder than the others, I don't think you have a case. Also, you need to keep in mind that future trials are doubtlessly being planned. The final version of all the weapons may end up being equally difficult to obtain.

I've always wondered why the lvl 80 versions dont give the WS, but the 85 versions give both WS and ODD, and the 90 versions just get some base dmg and 5 more stats.

Really the 80 versions should give WS only, 85 gives ODD, and 90 gives base D bonus. I realize they arent going to change it now, just wondered why they didnt do it that way in the beginning. (maybe they couldn't get their shit together and come up with the WSes on time?)


And according to your own chart there the gkt/gun/gswd is too easy.

I agree with what you said about the level 80 version, i said it my self before.

I also agree what you said about their chart, I would like getting emps have a bit more balance of attainability between one another. Some emps are also weak like drg then you have others that are very strong like war emp GA.

[Sama]

This game is never hard; what's causing the problem is you have to compete with 4000 others individuals on your server. Just try pop Vunkler T2 NM in weekend, you pro will see 50 people camping it, that's the real hard part.

[Dallas]

RE: staff trials

Arimaspi is worse than the peiste, needing a full pt. This is a painful trial.

Sedna is trivial. 2 pet jobs can duo the entire KI/boss line faster than an alliance can.

None of it matters, as the staff has no redeeming stats on it. There's one of these staves on my server that I can tell, and that player uses WHM only. I will probably be the first person to equip it in public.

[Elexia]

Only Chloris needs adjusting.

Period.