Thankx, avant+1 definitely look like the way to go. the avant are good enough until the +1's pop up. I'll completely drop the teutates for these as well.

funny thing, on the jingang hose, I saw the zanshin effect and thought "not for bst" so I completely forgot they even existed.
Althogh recently I upgraded my sam to subjot levels jsut to tinker around w/ bst/sam and 2-handing..