New Monk Weapon skills

[Atoreis]

I would like to point out that Spharai can only Relic proc on first hit of the attack rounds (At least that was what I remember) and ODD on Veret can proc on every hit with sub hand including multi-attacks. Assuming Denali Jacket+5 we will have around 1.42 hit per hand. I was wondering if you taking this into consideration when calculating boost from aftermath/relicTriple?

[MarkovChain]

The spreadsheet mentions the ODD on one hand and my simulator too. It's equivalent to 15% odd on both hands for vere, and 12% for spharai.

well 4% is neglectible imo if you think the gearsets posted by motenten are not completly optimized

It's optimized for acc and dex I didn't bother checking against optimized STR/ACC. It's listing 150 str/140 dex so it seems quite good if acc is lacking. If I try to stack acc & STR on a VS build I think I would use

aiais bonnet (8) // AF3+2 body( 12) // AF2+2 hands (0) // shura haidate +1 (6) // AF3+2 feet (8)
acc gear on neck, ear2, ring 1, back (0 str)
anuguinius belt on waist (0)
tantra on range (4)
weapon (20)

so ~ +58 str for ~160 total, so about 150 if you are mithra for instance.

[Greatguardian]

I would like to point out that Spharai can only Relic proc on first hit of the attack rounds (At least that was what I remember) and ODD on Veret can proc on every hit with sub hand including multi-attacks. Assuming Denali Jacket+5 we will have around 1.42 hit per hand. I was wondering if you taking this into consideration when calculating boost from aftermath/relicTriple?

Was this changed/proved recently? I was under the impression that Vereth ODD was mainhand only for a long time. If the source is on BG, I can probably searchfunction it if you remember what thread it was posted in.

[Cream_Soda]

Was this changed/proved recently? I was under the impression that Vereth ODD was mainhand only for a long time. If the source is on BG, I can probably searchfunction it if you remember what thread it was posted in.

Seconding this. Unless this is recent, Vereth proccing on both hands is absolutely false.

Though, Gg, for me it always procced on offhand (second hit) and never on the first, for some weird reason.

[Greatguardian]

Seconding this. Unless this is recent, Vereth proccing on both hands is absolutely false.

Though, Gg, for me it always procced on offhand (second hit) and never on the first, for some weird reason.

I honestly can't remember which one it was, ha. I haven't been on MNK in ages, COR is just too boss in Voidwatch. But yeah, I definitely don't remember seeing anything about ODD on both hands.

[Cream_Soda]

I did testing on it a while ago. With 50% ODD rate of 300 tp aftermath, I got 20 procs on the offhand, 0 on main hand, 0 on any da/ta/kick proc.

20 is a small sample size, etc., but when you're looking at a 50% rate, not to get a single proc on anything else, yea. That was conclusive enough for me.

[Monchat]

triple proc is for sure main hand only on spharai, and almost sure it doesnt proc on da/ta. And i narrowed it down to 12% proc rate wit confident interval of +/-0.8%, but stoped testing further , waiting for level cap.

[MarkovChain]

Btw ODD rate is 30% on one hand only or 15% on both hands, since I've tested on this forum on MNK & also PUP.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post222760

All this with level 95 vere

[Atoreis]

Nope you misunderstood me. Veret only proc on one hand but can proc on multihit attack.

IE: with Denali Jacket you can lets say quadruple attack on your offhand and all 4 attacks from offhand can be ODD when with relic when main hand proc quadruple attack only first of those 4 hits can be triple damage.
Assuming around 1.42 hit per hand with Denali Jacket we have:

(107+107)*1.42(multiattack)*1.15(ODD)+~26(kick)=375
375*60/106=212dps

and for relic (assuming triple damage has 10% rate on main hand):
(117*1.2(triple damage)+117*0.42+117*1.42)+~26=381
381*60/113=~202dps

~5% higher DPS with Veret AM1 and in many fights like Voidwatch you can easily maintain or at least have AM3 for most of the time with dust wings and its ~12% advantage for Veret then.

[Cream_Soda]

Didn't misunderstand you at all

I got 20 procs on the offhand, 0 on main hand, 0 on any da/ta/kick proc.