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    Player hideka's Avatar
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    [dev1049] suggestions.

    100 merits to max a weaponskill is kind of rediculous, however if SE plans on allowing these WS's to be the most powerful WS for that weapon PERIOD, then im quite alright spending 300 merits to max out my weaponskills.
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    Player Nervosa's Avatar
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    I would like to see the maximum total value for WS merits higher then 15.
    Lot of people have more then one job they enjoy playing and there will be players that will want all the new weapon skills.
    If you unlock all of them you will not be able to fully merit one out.

    It would be nice if the cap was 25 or 30, at least then I would be able to get them all and max out two or three
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    Player Kristal's Avatar
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    300 merit points = 3.000.000 xp = 2 weeks in abyssea. For some it's a week, for others 4 weeks.

    What I'd like to know is how merit upgrades affect the weaponskills.
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    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    300 merit points = 3.000.000 xp = 2 weeks in abyssea. For some it's a week, for others 4 weeks.

    What I'd like to know is how merit upgrades affect the weaponskills.
    Increases either the first or second modifier.
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    Player Lessina's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    300 merit points = 3.000.000 xp = 2 weeks in abyssea. For some it's a week, for others 4 weeks.

    What I'd like to know is how merit upgrades affect the weaponskills.
    Each merit increases the stat modifier by 17%. So for say Shijin Spiral 5/5 Merits is a 85% Dex Modifier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brayen View Post
    The numbers are indeed very low. Why only let us merit to 15? every day more and more players have more jobs leveled, and now SE seeks to limit their potential with this. Personally i would rather this be set as a job merit category, even if it means i would need to merit sword and h2h twice over, so long as i could work towards improving all my jobs that i already leveled, and skilled to cap.

    The only reason others can provide behind this limiting factor, is balance, but i don't see how this balances anything. You are only able to use 1 weaponskill at a time after all. Prior the only time we have been locked out of a weapon skill or a JA is in the job merit category and lack of owning a relic/mythic/empy. Now they are extending this fairly deep as you are forced to have only 3 good WS or 4-14 weaker versions.

    Really not happy with the whole limit we are being imposed here(pun intended as we all should have limit breaker key item!)
    I definitely agree here, weapon skills aren't the type of thing that can be considered fair to limit like this. Especially since SE has always been so adamant about adding jobs to weapon classes that no one who plays that job will ever use ever because they don't have A+~B+ skill in that weapon. Even more so because a lot of these WS seem to be utility WS, rather than the expected Super Final WS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lessina View Post
    Each merit increases the stat modifier by 17%. So for say Shijin Spiral 5/5 Merits is a 85% Dex Modifier.
    My gut tells me that it can't be that simple (I'm not saying what you said isn't true, I've done shijin spiral to 5/5 on the test server), the idea that each of these WS has an identical 17%/34%/51%/68%/85% stat mod is just bizarre, especially since the highest WSC I know of is 60%, and none of the other WSCs match that kind of progression. We won't know for sure though until NAs have access to the ws and/or studio gobli gets done with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theytak View Post
    I definitely agree here, weapon skills aren't the type of thing that can be considered fair to limit like this. Especially since SE has always been so adamant about adding jobs to weapon classes that no one who plays that job will ever use ever because they don't have A+~B+ skill in that weapon. Even more so because a lot of these WS seem to be utility WS, rather than the expected Super Final WS.



    My gut tells me that it can't be that simple (I'm not saying what you said isn't true, I've done shijin spiral to 5/5 on the test server), the idea that each of these WS has an identical 17%/34%/51%/68%/85% stat mod is just bizarre, especially since the highest WSC I know of is 60%, and none of the other WSCs match that kind of progression. We won't know for sure though until NAs have access to the ws and/or studio gobli gets done with them.

    So far tests have shown that SE's description seems to be wrong and it's 20%|40%|60%|80%|100% for Last Stand, so that's likely how they all are.
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    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
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    Player brayen's Avatar
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    The numbers are indeed very low. Why only let us merit to 15? every day more and more players have more jobs leveled, and now SE seeks to limit their potential with this. Personally i would rather this be set as a job merit category, even if it means i would need to merit sword and h2h twice over, so long as i could work towards improving all my jobs that i already leveled, and skilled to cap.

    The only reason others can provide behind this limiting factor, is balance, but i don't see how this balances anything. You are only able to use 1 weaponskill at a time after all. Prior the only time we have been locked out of a weapon skill or a JA is in the job merit category and lack of owning a relic/mythic/empy. Now they are extending this fairly deep as you are forced to have only 3 good WS or 4-14 weaker versions.

    Really not happy with the whole limit we are being imposed here(pun intended as we all should have limit breaker key item!)
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    Player Osmond's Avatar
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    If this were to happen then they should increase the merit cap to make a lil easier for players especially those who lvl'd most of their jobs. Then again it feels off at the same time.
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    Player FrankReynolds's Avatar
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    I'm on the fence here, I mean theoretically I could Get Empys for nin, monk and Thf/dnc, and then merit my way into sam, war and blu. That give me a pretty broad selection of jobs. On the other hand, if these are not = to empy weapon skills at 5/5, then having to merit them for jobs that you already have empy/relic/mythic for would be super lame sauce.

    My real issue though is that They need to make merit changes accessible in the field. Screw all this warping back and forth nonsense.
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