Personal temper findings

[TybudX]

its not that redmage is ANY less effective when meleeing, its that people dont have the practice, macros or gear builds to actualy HANDLE meleeing on redmage whilst preforming another role.

You're delusional if you think auto attacking and timing out WSs is any more difficult than timing out more spells. You're also delusional in that you seem to think you have cornered the market on FFXI's rudimentary combat system. Hint: you haven't. Not being able to 'HANDLE' melee RDM isn't why people don't use melee RDM, it's because it sucks.

[SpankWustler]

Where is this quote from? A song? The fact that Michael retired, came back, played baseball and sucked, hooked up with his maid, got divorced and somehow took no heat for it... raises so many questions.

EDIT:Also... the fact that your signature ranks on the first page of Google when i search for "The Michael Jordan of Drunk Driving played his final game tonight." is a little bit scary. :P

A song by Andrew Jackson Jihad titled, aptly enough, "The Michael Jordan of Drunk Driving." It is twenty-eight seconds long, and my signature contains the entirety of it's lyrics.

The meaning is never explained or even hinted at. Given how depressing the rest of the album is, I may be better off never knowing. Other gems are the phrases, "I saw a man drink a bottle of mouthwash on Christmas Eve. No, you can never fall too far." and "The flask is an alcoholic's paintbrush. The flask is an alcoholic's toothbrush. I have to go throw up now."

To everybody else, sorry about the off-topic post!

[tyrantsyn]

Orly? cause i coulda sworn it gave us access to all of our missing sword skills, fencer, defender, provoke, all of which are great supplements to defense.... when im sitting at 800-900 defense, Haste cap, PDT cap, a decently high shield rate, fairly decent Magic defense, Casting speed and recasting speed caps, yea those are all totaly horrible things for blood tank to have right? just a FYI ive been Main PLD and Off NIN since the game started in north america lol.

last i checked war was the standard for ninja tanking, and /nin is pretty meh these days for paladin when packing an Ochain.

If your hitting all those stats at once with /war? You Sir/mam are some kind of sorcerer.

I could maybe hit those kind of defensive number /BLU for cocoon but I don't know about the rest. I'd like to see that gear set.

[Neisan_Quetz]

With Augmented ASA legs and goli body I think I can hit haste/PDT caps with my current inferior dark ring (loldefending ring) during night time.

I'm not even going into cast/recast becasue that is precast swaps, you don't melee in that...

800 defense sounds like inferior food. Decent shield block rate on Rdm is just lol.

[hideka]

PDT Cap gear:
Sashmir -10% PDT
Genbu's Shield -10% pdt
Neck- Twilight torque -5% DT
Ring1 Dark ring (6 PDT 5 MDT)
Ring2 Dark ring (6PDT 4 MDT)
Hands melaco Mitts +3 PDT
Legs Goliard Trews (or tatsumaki) 3-4%
Umbra Cape -6% PDT
Colossus Earring -1~2% PDT
Total 49~50% PDT

spell Damage reduction:
Phalanx: -44 damage

Haste Cap Gear
Zealus tiara: +8%
Ninturias Sash/Goading belt +5~6%
goliard Saio: +4%
Erus's Lesledens: +4% haste
Swap-in Dusk Gloves +1 +4% haste (to cap spell recast timers)
Total 22-26% haste.

Spell casting gear (swapped in on casts)
Warlocks chapeau +1 -10/5%
Duelist tarabard -10/5%
Haste spell -0/15%
Fast cast V -30/15%
Gear haste -0/14%
total: -50% Casting Speed - 54%recasting speed (caps at 50%)

Defense gear:

Head: 0
Body: 42
Neck: 0
Rings: 0
Earrings: 0
Hands : 19
Back: 6
waist: 0
legs: 35
Feet: 22
shield:24
Protect 5 : +60
Taco: 160 defense
Defender: +25% Defense
Vitality: 82 > 41 defense
totaling : 682 defense without swapping in defense pieces

Defensive Atmas.
Atma Of the stronghold: +40 Def +15 regen
Atma of Viscistitude: +40 DEF +15 regen
Atma of the shrieking one: +50 Defense.

regen II:


so revising my previous statment, RDM can sit at 49~50% PDT, 22-26% haste, -50% Casting Speed - 54%recasting speed, and 682 (800+ inside of abyssea) defense at all times with minimal gear swapping.

not to mention that phalanx is pretty boss damage reduction, lets say a 400 damage melee swing hits the redmage, that is reduced to 200 damage by PDT, and to 156 damage by phalanx. with slow II most monsters will never atack more then once in a 6 second window. if your inside of abyssea you have regen atmas that can tic 2 times per enemy swing for 42 X2 = 84 HP negated. so total a rdm can shave a 400 damage attack round down to 74 damage. thats over 75% of the damage negated. im just saying, rdm can hit pretty damn respectable damage mitigation.

OH and a moderate shield block rate cuts down damage like a charm. we will never be the most effective tank, but were certianly able to do it.

[wish12oz]

OH and a moderate shield block rate cuts down damage like a charm. we will never be the most effective tank, but were certianly able to do it.

My problem with you isn't that your gear swaps and things are wrong, all that stuff is nice, and it's true that RDM wouldn't take a lot of damage, but you can't hold hate against any half decent DD since they nerfed the amount of enmity gained by all the spells RDM use to use to maintain hate. And since you can't hold hate, having a tanking set to reduce the amount of damage you take is pretty pointless, because you will never be getting attacked.

Phalanx also reduces physical damage btw, shell is what only reduces magic damage, I'm not sure why you listed phalanx under magic damage reduction.

Casting time reduction does not cap at 50%.

Using defensive atmas will weaken your ability to hold hate, since it will lower your DPS, and in Abyssea, that's all thats required to tank. The same can be said of your PDT sword, Almace is required to increase your DPS if you even want to have a ghost of a chance at tanking, maybe if that new sword WS is good this won't be true, but for now it is.

I'm done picking apart your arguement now as I have grown bored, but this isn't all thats wrong with it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You're delusional if you think Rdm has anything close to a 'moderate' shield block rate on anything above DC/EM.

Loltacos/defender, pelase return to the 21st century and eat real food, and if you're going to use an inferior sub, use actual damaging JAs. Nice to know you weren't capping haste, unless you think meleeing in 22% haste is cap.

... Oh god you did not mention using such retarded atmas either... I use the regen atmas too... when skilling up on war.

[tyrantsyn]

PDT Cap gear:
Sashmir -10% PDT
Genbu's Shield -10% pdt
Neck- Twilight torque -5% DT
Ring1 Dark ring (6 PDT 5 MDT)
Ring2 Dark ring (6PDT 4 MDT)
Hands melaco Mitts +3 PDT
Legs Goliard Trews (or tatsumaki) 3-4%
Umbra Cape -6% PDT
Colossus Earring -1~2% PDT
Total 49~50% PDT

spell Damage reduction:
Phalanx: -44 damage

Haste Cap Gear
Zealus tiara: +8%
Ninturias Sash/Goading belt +5~6%
goliard Saio: +4%
Erus's Lesledens: +4% haste
Swap-in Dusk Gloves +1 +4% haste (to cap spell recast timers)
Total 22-26% haste.

Spell casting gear (swapped in on casts)
Warlocks chapeau +1 -10/5%
Duelist tarabard -10/5%
Haste spell -0/15%
Fast cast V -30/15%
Gear haste -0/14%
total: -50% Casting Speed - 54%recasting speed (caps at 50%)

Defense gear:

Head: 0
Body: 42
Neck: 0
Rings: 0
Earrings: 0
Hands : 19
Back: 6
waist: 0
legs: 35
Feet: 22
shield:24
Protect 5 : +60
Taco: 160 defense
Defender: +25% Defense
Vitality: 82 > 41 defense
totaling : 682 defense without swapping in defense pieces

Defensive Atmas.
Atma Of the stronghold: +40 Def +15 regen
Atma of Viscistitude: +40 DEF +15 regen
Atma of the shrieking one: +50 Defense.

regen II:


so revising my previous statment, RDM can sit at 49~50% PDT, 22-26% haste, -50% Casting Speed - 54%recasting speed, and 682 (800+ inside of abyssea) defense at all times with minimal gear swapping.

not to mention that phalanx is pretty boss damage reduction, lets say a 400 damage melee swing hits the redmage, that is reduced to 200 damage by PDT, and to 156 damage by phalanx. with slow II most monsters will never atack more then once in a 6 second window. if your inside of abyssea you have regen atmas that can tic 2 times per enemy swing for 42 X2 = 84 HP negated. so total a rdm can shave a 400 damage attack round down to 74 damage. thats over 75% of the damage negated. im just saying, rdm can hit pretty damn respectable damage mitigation.

OH and a moderate shield block rate cuts down damage like a charm. we will never be the most effective tank, but were certianly able to do it.

KK your talking inside abyssea numbers, which is magically fairy land for over powering a job to get something accomplished. Being able to do these sorts of things on RDM is the problem tho. And why the the player base is divide on RDM improvements. I don't envy SE, this job is a train wreck of issues. And as much as the player base can help it, it adds to it problems at the same time.

[hideka]

KK your talking inside abyssea numbers, which is magically fairy land for over powering a job to get something accomplished. Being able to do these sorts of things on RDM is the problem tho. And why the the player base is divide on RDM improvements. I don't envy SE, this job is a train wreck of issues. And as much as the player base can help it, it adds to it problems at the same time.

lol, the only number that was affected was my defense score, and by 110 points... im still able to maintain the levels i spoke of in my prior post while outside of abyssea lol.

and i didnt mean phalanx was magical damage reduction i meant it was "spell" damage reduction, you know like gear damage reduction, i should have worded that better and i apologize.

i can sit at haste cap at all times. it just requires me to drop 3% PDT, which isnt a huge loss, got any more smart ass comments neisan? so far youve done nothing but tell me it wouldnt work, but youve provided ZERO proof as to why it would not, do this then we can talk.

[tyrantsyn]

lol, the only number that was affected was my defense score, and by 110 points... im still able to maintain the levels i spoke of in my prior post while outside of abyssea lol.

and i didnt mean phalanx was magical damage reduction i meant it was "spell" damage reduction, you know like gear damage reduction, i should have worded that better and i apologize.

i can sit at haste cap at all times. it just requires me to drop 3% PDT, which isnt a huge loss, got any more smart ass comments neisan? so far youve done nothing but tell me it wouldnt work, but youve provided ZERO proof as to why it would not, do this then we can talk.

I wouldn't doubt you could pull it off, But Like Wish12oz said you couldn't have any type of DD with you they'd end up dead from lack of support due to hate issues.