Personal temper findings

[Qeepel]

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[Crimson_Slasher]

The moderators are quick! ill have to remember that next time a topic is usurped by unrelated posts! I hope they start watching here more often!

[Greatguardian]

All of this "SAM can't tank" and "MNK can't tank Pil" stuff is hurting my head...

Anything could tank Khimaira at 75. Corsair could tank Khimaira at 75 (seen it, not even kidding). Red Mage could easily tank anything, sure, but it becomes a waste when other jobs are able to deal damage and thus tank while doing more damage.

Red mage can deal damage, sure. It wont' deal as much damage as literally any pure melee on the planet. But it can deal damage. For reference, let's list the jobs that can deal more damage on "High tier content" (Let's say Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil) than RDM:

Monk - duh
Warrior - duh
Samurai - duh
Corsair - duh
Dark Knight - duh
Ranger - duh
Dragoon - duh
Thief - hm
Ninja - oh
Dancer - oh dear
Puppetmaster - uh oh
Blue Mage - ... this won't end well
Beastmaster - ... shiiiiiiit

And the jobs that don't do as much damage as Red Mage?

Black Mage
White Mage
Bard
Summoner
Paladin
Scholar

Okay. You will outdamage the ... well, hopefully nonexistant Paladins. And the Bards. And the White Mages. And pretty much anything that's reliant on nuke damage. Omedato-daysuuuuuuuuu~~~~

[Neisan_Quetz]

Can we please stop counting voke? Please? Please. I'm tired of people trying to use voke as an example for anything but hate reset > mage just pulled hate and you're too far away to melee.

cocoon is better than defender for the simple fact it doesn't reduce your attack.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Time spent voking is time spent not meleeing. Spamming voke every 30 seconds lower your damage dealing and conversely, your tanking. That's why we call Voke useless.

Defender is useless because reducing your damage output is counterproductive. If you're not dying with Zerk up there's no reason not to fulltime it.

[saevel]

Time spent voking is time spent not meleeing. Spamming voke every 30 seconds lower your damage dealing and conversely, your tanking. That's why we call Voke useless.

Defender is useless because reducing your damage output is counterproductive. If you're not dying with Zerk up there's no reason not to fulltime it.

JA's are instant use that insert 60 delay units (1 second) into your attack round. That's not going to be noticeable by anything other then a parser, and even then barely.

[tyrantsyn]

Wow, what happen here? I thought this part of the discussion was dead after last week. Yesterday when I check the thread it was back on track and we were done with this nonsense. Sadness.

[Greatguardian]

120 delay or 2.033898 seconds

[Byrth]

I am pretty much done with this. It should be possible to get 21% Double Attack from Temper at 99 with a perfect enhancing magic set. You can almost get 22% (2 skill off) but you can't yet (outside of Abyssea), I think. The data is on the talk page.

[saevel]

I am pretty much done with this. It should be possible to get 21% Double Attack from Temper at 99 with a perfect enhancing magic set. You can almost get 22% (2 skill off) but you can't yet (outside of Abyssea), I think. The data is on the talk page.

Have they done any testing over at BG on the new sword WS yet? I know they've been doing the others but I haven't seen anyone post any actual testing results from the sword. Asking because if it's like Shun then we can try to see if SE is willing to fix it.