Sword Weaponskills

[Kitkat]

Might just be ne, but so far Dagger WS seems to be better than the sword WS in my experience. Killing EP Aern in Sea I'm seeing 1600~2k with Ext, but only 1400~1600 so far with Requi.

In Abyssea (Vunkerl) using RR/GH/Apoc I was doing 2500~3800 with Ext, and didn't break 2k with Requi. Going to try slipping on Allur in place of GH and see if that helps it since it is a mnd mod.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Might just be ne, but so far Dagger WS seems to be better than the sword WS in my experience. Killing EP Aern in Sea I'm seeing 1600~2k with Ext, but only 1400~1600 so far with Requi.

In Abyssea (Vunkerl) using RR/GH/Apoc I was doing 2500~3800 with Ext, and didn't break 2k with Requi. Going to try slipping on Allur in place of GH and see if that helps it since it is a mnd mod.

As a random test I was getting 2100~ on easy prey outside Abyssea in just RDM empyrean. (not got any gear on the tester server for RDM)

[Kitkat]

Yeah, only time I got close to 2k was if I held tp to 200%+ with requi, but this is using gear that is setup for cdc/evis. Just seems odd cause for either WS I have roughly the same mnd or agi total outside of abyssea. Because of the mods being so heavy on these WS I wanted to try an atma setup more inline with the actual WS. Being that I had GH on it may have askewed the results for abyssea WS comparison a great deal.

Based on what the descriptions say and what test are showing sword should be stronger. I'm just chalking it up to small sample and biased sample at the moment.

[Seriha]

From what I've been piecing together, though Req info is still on the scarce side, is that dagger will probably be our better option for fodder ( ;_; ) without CDC while Req may situationally beat CDC on higher defense prey due to the ATK boost that apparently corresponds with the TP (and let's face it, ATK is one of RDM's shortcomings). Question from here is going more MND heavy is appropriate, STR/ATK, or some combination (Ogre Ledelsens +1 representing with their 5 MND and 12 ATK). Nonetheless, I've been fishing for something between CDC and Vorpal for a while now, and we seem to be getting things close to that.

Just torn on how I'd invest given merit point restrictions. I typically played a wider job spread including RDM, BLU, DRK, THF, WHM, BLM, and WAR. I feel like I can get away with not picking up Staff, Marksmanship, and Archery, but that's still 11 WS to split amongst since even lesser used jobs for me like NIN, MNK, SAM could still see improvements over old options. </3 SE for this.

[Greatguardian]

It's a pretty easy question. 100% WSC with Alpha=0.85 means 1 point of MND = 3.4 points of STR until fSTR cap, where STR becomes worthless. Attack is still meaningful, STR is really not unless you have it in significantly larger quantities than MND (unlikely).

This assumes 5/5 merits in the WS to get 100% WSC.

[Seriha]

Wish I could putz about to see what kind of gear combos would shine. MND isn't hard for us to come by, but I'm always wary about any kind of physical WS in RDM's hands, even if this one is a bit different than the norm.

[hideka]

Wish I could putz about to see what kind of gear combos would shine. MND isn't hard for us to come by, but I'm always wary about any kind of physical WS in RDM's hands, even if this one is a bit different than the norm.

erm... i can hit 1.4k Death blossoms in dynamis xarc w/o an almace...... rdm can do just fine with phys ws :P just got to gear right.

[Seriha]

erm... i can hit 1.4k Death blossoms in dynamis xarc w/o an almace...... rdm can do just fine with phys ws :P just got to gear right.

I've done 1800+ DBs, myself. There's no getting around RDMs starting at a relative deficiency compared to other jobs when not having an A or higher combat skill, no native traits like ATK or Crit boosts, and while Temper, Composure, and Gain-STR/DEX as needed are welcome, we've also got the monkey wrench of heavy subjob dependency and shortcomings of a cast load for potential swings over time. We're best suited for magical WS, especially with gear that's come with the cap increases, but A.Edge isn't really good for 1v1 and we obviously don't get Sanguine without a specific sub, and even then its damage isn't too high without atmas backing it.

Much as I hate to say it, while 1400 may've turned some heads at 75, with other jobs breaking 3k without too much trouble, it's not surprising we're never looked at for martial prowess. This is also why I look at whatever melee attention RDM gets with heavy scrutiny. Too little, and nothing changes about community perception and acceptance, to the point you get others cry out "Wasted dev time!" like with Temper. We've not really hit the other end of the spectrum with insane brokenness, but for how long some of us have been around and throwing RDM's flaws at SE and asking for attention, the time for baby steps has passed, be it mage or melee. I'll never say RDM is dead or in the grave as some might, but I can say it's not as fun as it could be, be it in concept or performance.

[Kitkat]

Well, depending on what you are willing to give up, Morrigans has a mix of Str, mnd, att, and acc. Thing is, neither legs or feet has the +att. Feet has 3str and 10mnd, ogre is 5mnd 12att, and if acc is an issue Ragers has acc and att. Legs options fall to Tumblers for att (or dusk), morrigans for 3str 10mnd, and there was one other pair that were ok (think add-on augmented legs), but can't recall what off hand. I'd wager that Morrigans body compliments this well (have been using mine when using sword, but have yet to test using appropriate rings/earrings), Antares for greater accuracy if it is an issue, or possibly augmented body (though I think this is better suited for tp body slot atm).

Just have to see how each performs, can't say I've ever thought of putting that much work into rdm ws set, but since it is a blu ws also I have to keep it in mind x.x

[Neisan_Quetz]

Well considering the new Nyzul gear they should be overhauling salvage sets as well, would like to see how those come out.