Get rid of 8 hour windows for Notorious Monsters

[Kimikryo]

with fishing you often sit around for hours doing nothing but waiting until the fish bites

but.. is this a game?

[Soranika]

Which games back when you were younger tested your patience by having your character stand around for hours on end waiting? I've been around gaming since the Atari 2600 and while I admit there are many games I never played, I don't recall games like this. Are you talking about Everquest? I'd love to know what games these were so I can avoid them if I ever get in the mood to play old games I never tried.

lol I didn't mean standing around. Games that were really hard that smashes your face in for a single mistake and save feature didn't exist in many of them... or even frustration of remember passcodes to continue in those that didn't have the de facto save system that we know today.

[Camiie]

lol I didn't mean standing around. Games that were really hard that smashes your face in for a single mistake and save feature didn't exist in many of them... or even frustration of remember passcodes to continue in those that didn't have the de facto save system that we know today.

Ah, well I'm not sure I want it to be THAT mean to us, but I'd still take something hard that I can do on my own time over this pure pointless tedium.

[FrankReynolds]

Waiting hours on end for a NM to pop isn't a challenge, it's just comes down to luck of the draw... spawn... whatever.

It's not fun, but it doesn't make anything any particularly harder. But you say nothing to take pride in, I giggle because it's post like these that make me feel good about sticking it through instead of going in a raging fit because an MMO, a game, tested my patience. You know, back when I was younger, games did that, so I'm cool with it.

I have finished weapons, and will finish more, but can you honestly say that if the pop nm part was all you had to do that you would take any pride in that weapon?

Finishing the harder parts requires some degree of skill / dedication. the 8 hour pop level 30 nms are just lame. No one is gonna brag about killing trumbling truffle or w/e its called 3 times.

[Cowardlybabooon]

The spawn time is to deter you from getting WoE versions. Its for your own good.

But yeah I think we should get full powered empy weaponskills at level 1 after killing bubbly Bernie. That way we could have life be FAIR so that lazy people get everything too. Obama sucks :-)

[FrankReynolds]

The spawn time is to deter you from getting WoE versions. Its for your own good.

Well in that case, it actually works. No way i'm going to build an WOE version of anything that I might want to Remake as the full version later. I haven't done anything but hang out in latheine/buburimu/carpenter's landing for the last 3 days. I think I will just build the full version, and toss these coins.

But yeah I think we should get full powered empy weaponskills at level 1 after killing bubbly Bernie. That way we could have life be FAIR so that lazy people get everything too. Obama sucks :-)

erm.........lol?

[svengalis]

The spawn time is to deter you from getting WoE versions. Its for your own good.

But yeah I think we should get full powered empy weaponskills at level 1 after killing bubbly Bernie. That way we could have life be FAIR so that lazy people get everything too. Obama sucks :-)

Come on your just making stuff up. There is nothing wrong with woe weapons. They still have one of the best weapon skills in the game. I am working on my third one and I am proud of it. They take 1/10th of the time(unless you have friends or ls members stupid enough to farm them for you) and effort to do.

[FrankReynolds]

Come on your just making stuff up. There is nothing wrong with woe weapons. They still have one of the best weapon skills in the game. I am working on my third one and I am proud of it. They take 1/10th of the time(unless you have friends or ls members stupid enough to farm them for you) and effort to do.

I don't know, I decided I was going to do WOE to make H2H when I finished Kanaggi. I think it took me almost as long to get 20 coins as it did to get 50/50 helms and skins. And after getting full length pops on almost every one of the first 3 trials for H2H, I think I'm gonna toss the coins and just make the full version now. WOE doesn't seem worth the effort unless you want to build like 10 weapons out of all the crap coins that you weren't after.

Edit: In short, if they were trying to scare me into not doing the trials twice...... it worked.

[Atomic_Skull]

MMORPG's are more like hobbies than games.

[Zarchery]

There are aspects of the game I enjoy. This is not one of them. Now, I know what you'll say, "If you don't want to do it then don't!" Ah, but at some point if you want to improve your character, you have little choice. And to me that's what the RPG in MMORPG is all about; improving your character. My point is, why can't we improve our characters, even to the highest of the high end AND have fun doing it? Why can't it be both? In fact it SHOULD be both. If it's not, it's missing the point entirely.

Should it be a progressively challenging process? Sure! Should it be tedious? Only if you're really bad at it.

The thing is, you need bottlenecks like this or else you blast through everything too quickly and are left bored saying "What now?" I'm seeing a lot of this with the backlash against the expansion of Voidwatch. Abyssea made everything too easy. People blasted through all that too quickly, and now complain that Voidwatch is too hard or too boring. Grind slowly or progress too rapidly and end up bored; pick your poison.