To Developers: Accession

[Daniel_Hatcher]

RDM have no natural spell that is aoe. Not one. They don't deserve hastega and they certainly don't deserve some AoE job ability that allows them to AoE their spells.

That said I am all for allowing Accession to AoE more white magic spells, but this should be accessible to everyone, not just RDM/SCH. WHM/SCH and SCH/RDM should also be able to AoE Haste, Refresh, and what have you.

Edit: And RDM a joke? Please. RDM used to be the king of solo, and is still able to solo what it used to be able to solo back in the day. Now I understand RDM has had its light taken from it with everyone gaining its powerful spells via subjob, but I think there are better ways than giving RDM access to things it would never have access to (like native AoE spells). It's a good job, it just needs to have its strong points enhanced better.

Yeah, why does a "Supposed Enhancer" deserved AoE enhancing magic...

[Meyi]

Rdm has diaga, thats AOE

Huh. I checked exactly for that spell on the wiki to make sure before I posted that, and I guess I somehow missed it. You're right, and I'm sorry. orz

Still, I'd like to see something else done with Red Mage. Perhaps some sort of enhancement to Composure where enhance buffs become AoE within a small radius? I mean, the whole point of Composure was so that Red Mages would spend a little less time buffing while also enhancing their melee abilities. I wouldn't mind seeing Composure become like Accession. Perhaps a second job ability could be used in juncture with Composure to turn it into Accession, but with durations decreased?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Why are people pointing out Diaga? Not to mention Whm learns it too, I guess they should get AoE light enfeebles along with Rdm?

[Crimson_Slasher]

Neisan Quetz, would you REALLY be opposed to say slowga/paralyga/diagaII? And if those were opened, then we would have a chance at diaga3, slowga 2, and paralyga 2, imagine that, being able to paralyze all adds during an event? its not sleep, but with enough aoe debuffs and some cures, DDs could solo down links. Not useful in most practical situations but i wouldnt be against it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

No I have never desired slowga/paralyga, and diaga II is pretty much fucking useless.

If I wanted Aoe Enfeebles to deal with adds, I'd want Sleepga Breakga Bindga and Graviga.

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[Jamesy]

all i can go is lol at this thread just because its started with a redmage crying about how he can't /sch and get aoe enspell II's or haste.

get over it SE won't give it to you because a scholar can't do those spells minus haste from current update being /whm or /rdm, but this is beside the point scholar can only accession the first tier of enspells because of /rdm which isnt even that great its maybe another 10-20 damage a hit.

i can just say i hope se doesn't take you seriously because this thread is similar to the thread on sch forums about a smn crying because they dont have thunderstorm.


oh and on a second not they also will not make gain spells accessionable because sch doesnt get them customarily redmage has always been single target whm aoe and scholar has been a mix of the mages. so what i have to say is learn your job oh and the only reason scholar can do a stronger phalanx is because our enhancing skill. if a redmage actually focused on enhancing skill gear set before casting a spell im sure the could match or surpass a scholar's phalanx

[Crimson_Slasher]

Im starting to get a poor impression of those on Quetzalcoatl as of late. Dunno what rdms you run into complaining about sch and phalanx, but ive got no issue outmatching schs with enhancing magic. As for aoe enfeebs, while you dont see em practical, id like to see em. I mean hell, a regular past time, fell cleaving, could benefit from something like diaga II/III.

But to each their own, id take a situationally useful thing over absolutely nothing at all, which is why i can atleast enjoy things like scarlet delierium (would like a longer duration though) or shield mastery, even if i dont get much use out of them. The times i do get use out of em make me smile and go "oh yeah, that was pretty handy right THERE!"

[Daniel_Hatcher]

all i can go is lol at this thread just because its started with a redmage crying about how he can't /sch and get aoe enspell II's or haste.

get over it SE won't give it to you because a scholar can't do those spells minus haste from current update being /whm or /rdm, but this is beside the point scholar can only accession the first tier of enspells because of /rdm which isnt even that great its maybe another 10-20 damage a hit.

i can just say i hope se doesn't take you seriously because this thread is similar to the thread on sch forums about a smn crying because they dont have thunderstorm.


oh and on a second not they also will not make gain spells accessionable because sch doesnt get them customarily redmage has always been single target whm aoe and scholar has been a mix of the mages. so what i have to say is learn your job oh and the only reason scholar can do a stronger phalanx is because our enhancing skill. if a redmage actually focused on enhancing skill gear set before casting a spell im sure the could match or surpass a scholar's phalanx

Two things....

1: Everyjob can do something unique with /job except anyjob /SCH

2. SCH Can't do a better Phalanx, SCH and RDM have the same skill, RDM has more gear so RDM is and will be until equipment change the superior Enhancer where Phalanx is concerned. The only one that competes is WHM and they can't get AoE/Targetable Phalanx.

Doing a quick scan I got gear: SCH = 66 (with rare VW body) ---- RDM = 84

[Jamesy]

lol i wasn't saying scholar was better i was saying someone crying over not having accession is silly and you are continuing to prove my point that a redmage can get a stronger phalanx if they actually use enhancing gear

[saevel]

Just another troll trying to start a fire. Ignore them an they'll go away.

Remember kids, only you can stop forum fires