To Developers: Accession

[Shadowsong]

SMNs can easily solo plenty of NMs, there is nothing weak about a well equipped SMN. Same with PUP and BST. If you take those jobs seriously they are amazing. Most people think they are jokes so they play them like jokes, but I have friends that play all of those jobs and they are capable of soloing all sorts of content that generally requires multiple people.

When people compare jobs they obviously are comparing top tier vs top tier. Of course a crappy MNK is going to get beaten by an awesome SMN. Also, people are not concerned/talking about soloing. A job that never gets damaged/hate while having an unlimited supply of basically immortal pets? Well duh...

I think we should be looking at this from the other side. Haste and Refresh should be Accession-able, but only by SCH main. And in that vein, give SCH access to PhalanxII and En-Spells, but (possibly) with a weaker effect.

[ManaKing]

When people compare jobs they obviously are comparing top tier vs top tier. Of course a crappy MNK is going to get beaten by an awesome SMN. Also, people are not concerned/talking about soloing. A job that never gets damaged/hate while having an unlimited supply of basically immortal pets? Well duh...

I think we should be looking at this from the other side. Haste and Refresh should be Accession-able, but only by SCH main. And in that vein, give SCH access to PhalanxII and En-Spells, but (possibly) with a weaker effect.

No thanks, RDM wants something in return. If you want want Accession to work outside your job, expect people to want something in return for you stepping in their domain. Every job has some territory that they cover and excel in. SMN is a unique job that has it's territory well defined as a magical pet job that can solo well in a large spectrum of applications. By contrast, RDM is dangerously close to having no territory left because most of our best toys are under lvl 50 and most of what we can do can be done better by other jobs. If you want something post lvl 50 from RDM, we want something Post lvl 50 from you. We want things like Adloquium and Immanence.

If you aren't interested in sharing with us, then you don't have any validity in any of your claims. You are gaining functionality at the expense of our job's territory. Why would anyone want a RDM in their group if a SCH can offer them all that we have and everything that a SCH has? They will just tell us to please change to SCH or get out of their group. No one picks up RDM for melee in larger groups. They get looked at because they enjoy a couple of unique-ish buffs and being a well rounded, but inferior mage.

[Swords]

I think we should be looking at this from the other side. Haste and Refresh should be Accession-able, but only by SCH main. And in that vein, give SCH access to PhalanxII and En-Spells, but (possibly) with a weaker effect.

That's pretty the opposite of what were wanting. Whole point of even attempting to make spells like Haste Accessionable to begin with, is too at least boost RDM's capabilities beyond what they currently are even IF other mage jobs will be capable of it as well. RDM unfortunately is in one of those positions we would likely take something even if it meant boosting the powers of our competition as well just to give us a better footing in a party setting. Frankly who could blame them either, when SE seems pretty fixed on keeping RDM's from really growing beyond subjob level spells.