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    Player saevel's Avatar
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    Most people I know prefer DNC Merited Haste Samba for the additional TP and possibly superior DPS. Enspells are really only good, not great, when you are against something with incredibly high defense and low magic defense. When your THF hits Jailor of Fortitude or PLD mobs for 1~10 damage, it's nice if they can hit for 27 damage on hits with Enspell 1s.

    But hey, if they want to make it so Enspells and Sambas can stack, then I would be happy to worry about if my party has Enspells up. Otherwise I'm undermining my DNC.
    Obviously another 10% JA haste would be superior to anything enspells could do without a very specific situation. DNC is also kinda of a rare job, I don't see many in groups and I've rarely partied with one. I was assuming no DNC present. Of course that opens up the possibility of RDM/DNC giving 5% haste samba, depending on situation could be very useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Obviously another 10% JA haste would be superior to anything enspells could do without a very specific situation. DNC is also kinda of a rare job, I don't see many in groups and I've rarely partied with one. I was assuming no DNC present. Of course that opens up the possibility of RDM/DNC giving 5% haste samba, depending on situation could be very useful.
    I have 4 people I play with regularly that play DNC for one thing or another. True, DNC has to be on a mob for Sambas to be effective, while RDM can cast at least Enspell 1s from relative safety. It's just annoying that you can't get both to work at the same time or that a RDM/DNC can't apply both to an ally. I don't personally like the job combination at all, but I play it in dynamis so we have a raiser that can proc just in case a reraise goes wrong.
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    Player saevel's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManaKing View Post
    I have 4 people I play with regularly that play DNC for one thing or another. True, DNC has to be on a mob for Sambas to be effective, while RDM can cast at least Enspell 1s from relative safety. It's just annoying that you can't get both to work at the same time or that a RDM/DNC can't apply both to an ally. I don't personally like the job combination at all, but I play it in dynamis so we have a raiser that can proc just in case a reraise goes wrong.
    Let me check this but I'm fairly sure that even with enspell on your still applying the special status effect on the NM. So while you don't get the haste effect, your other party members should be.
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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    Let me check this but I'm fairly sure that even with enspell on your still applying the special status effect on the NM. So while you don't get the haste effect, your other party members should be.
    This is correct.
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    We haven't received favorable replies to Haste, but I still have ideas they might be more receptive to.

    You know how they talked about perhaps giving Scholar the ability to cast Regen outside of parties? I've been thinking... in another thread I suggested they give Scholar mains the ability to cast weather spells outside of parties too, which is a good idea. And in the past I've also suggested that Gain-STAT spells should be castable on others, along with Phalanx (suggesting they get rid of Phalanx II) by Red Mages.

    So what if Red Mage mains, perhaps past a certain level or under a certain job ability (Composure) could cast Refresh, Phalanx, and Gain spells on anyone in their alliance? Not AOE or anything, just on others.

    While Refresh II might not be a big enough difference to make it so you want three Red Mages in an alliance, I think it has always been a big enough one that I've always fought for one in my party - being able to have it casted cross party would mean one RDM could hit all the mages in a party, despite party positioning. On the Gain spells, my thinking is that it would be for characters already getting hit by Boost-STAT spells that want a different buff, or other situational things. Same with Phalanx, although the main thing would be that it is party castable, allowing Red Mages more freedom to merit things, freeing up a spell slot for SE to make a new spell with, and making Red Mage more competitive.

    It might not be AoE spells, but it would be a very, very nice change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    We haven't received favorable replies to Haste, but I still have ideas they might be more receptive to.

    You know how they talked about perhaps giving Scholar the ability to cast Regen outside of parties? I've been thinking... in another thread I suggested they give Scholar mains the ability to cast weather spells outside of parties too, which is a good idea. And in the past I've also suggested that Gain-STAT spells should be castable on others, along with Phalanx (suggesting they get rid of Phalanx II) by Red Mages.

    So what if Red Mage mains, perhaps past a certain level or under a certain job ability (Composure) could cast Refresh, Phalanx, and Gain spells on anyone in their alliance? Not AOE or anything, just on others.

    While Refresh II might not be a big enough difference to make it so you want three Red Mages in an alliance, I think it has always been a big enough one that I've always fought for one in my party - being able to have it casted cross party would mean one RDM could hit all the mages in a party, despite party positioning. On the Gain spells, my thinking is that it would be for characters already getting hit by Boost-STAT spells that want a different buff, or other situational things. Same with Phalanx, although the main thing would be that it is party castable, allowing Red Mages more freedom to merit things, freeing up a spell slot for SE to make a new spell with, and making Red Mage more competitive.

    It might not be AoE spells, but it would be a very, very nice change.
    Alliance wide cycles... While it's not a bad idea, non AoE I think I'd pass on RDM if they did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    Alliance wide cycles... While it's not a bad idea, non AoE I think I'd pass on RDM if they did that.
    Yeah, it was a big fear I had when I was writing it. If it really is an issue, I think maybe just Refresh should be alliance targetable, but the other two should be party targetable regardless.
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    Player ManaKing's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    Yeah, it was a big fear I had when I was writing it. If it really is an issue, I think maybe just Refresh should be alliance targetable, but the other two should be party targetable regardless.
    RDM seems to be SEs play thing for coming up with restrictions on targeting groups. We'll most likely have to ride out all of the updates to FFXI to find out what they intend to do about RDM. They really haven't said anything transparent in a long time.
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    Rdm has diaga, thats AOE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson_Slasher View Post
    Rdm has diaga, thats AOE
    Huh. I checked exactly for that spell on the wiki to make sure before I posted that, and I guess I somehow missed it. You're right, and I'm sorry. orz

    Still, I'd like to see something else done with Red Mage. Perhaps some sort of enhancement to Composure where enhance buffs become AoE within a small radius? I mean, the whole point of Composure was so that Red Mages would spend a little less time buffing while also enhancing their melee abilities. I wouldn't mind seeing Composure become like Accession. Perhaps a second job ability could be used in juncture with Composure to turn it into Accession, but with durations decreased?
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