To Developers: Accession

[Greatguardian]

This post is not only inaccurate ( haste is not a balance issue, other spells etc.), but also has a bad tone to it. It's fairly obvious that people are desperate for something to make red mage a good job again.

Instead of popping in and going " No! You will get nothing, and like it.", why not try saying something like "We are not planning on adding this requested feature because we have something in the way of <insert hint about something you have planned for red mage here> planned, and we think you will find it is even better.".

Well, that assumes that there are plans for something better.

Inb4 gravity II

[FrankReynolds]

Well, that assumes that there are plans for something better.

Inb4 gravity II

Bahhhhhhh! <shakes fist at the sky>

[Economizer]

Inb4 gravity II

To be fair, they did make it sound like Gravity II had potential, with sweet nothings about only the movement speed decrease being resisted by NMs and making it sound like free sushi only a RDM could dispense.

Say what you will about evasion down, but if it worked like Dia for evasion, I think the spell could be amazing... if only.

[cidbahamut]

Instead of popping in and going " No! You will get nothing, and like it.", why not try saying something like "We are not planning on adding this requested feature because we have something in the way of <insert hint about something you have planned for red mage here> planned, and we think you will find it is even better.".

They would have to actually have something planned for Red Mage to do that.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

They will not let RDM die out. All jobs will probably be getting some kind of insane spell or ablity we've always hoped for in group 3 merit form. Perhaps Haste II, though that wouldn't be my preference lol. People shouldn't give up hope on RDM just yet, it will come back, and it will be quite amazing when it does, though it will be about 3 to 6 months from now I imagine.

DRK's been waiting the longest, and it's still waiting. I wouldn't count on it.

[Vaness]

@ saevel and daniel.You two were crying in the Cure V thread about how you didn't wanted to be Enhancing bots.I am pretty sure asking for accession temper, haste,gain-spell and Enspell 2 will make you an enhancing bot.Changed your mind?

[ManaKing]

@ saevel and daniel.You two were crying in the Cure V thread about how you didn't wanted to be Enhancing bots.I am pretty sure asking for accession temper, haste,gain-spell and Enspell 2 will make you an enhancing bot.Changed your mind?

It's a bot if you have to cast all of those spells on every person in the party. When you do it in an AOE it is more like we are actually supporting people like real supports.

[FrankReynolds]

It's a bot if you have to cast all of those spells on every person in the party. When you do it in an AOE it is more like we are actually supporting people like real supports.

That sounds like code for "I don't want to be so busy. I want to auto-attack like the melee do. Who knows, maybe I'll cast a buff or two if I'm bored."

[Vaness]

It's a bot if you have to cast all of those spells on every person in the party. When you do it in an AOE it is more like we are actually supporting people like real supports.

Ok so lets do some maths, simple ones.

Rdm using SCH sub have 2 Strat.Each strat have a 2 min Recast.

Situation no.1 (You get accession with the possibility to use it with haste, temper, Enspell and Boost-spell)
Actions
No.1 Accession + Haste
No.2 Accession + Temper
No.3 Do whatever for the next 45s because your Accession timer is at 1 min 45s
no.4 Accession + Enspell
no.5 Wait for the 1 min 45s on the second strat.
No.6 Accession Gain-spell

Conclusion:Considering a full AF3 +2 set gives other ppl a 5 min buff (aprox) you would have to keep recasting the buffs.That is an enhancing bot.

Situation no.2 (Haste and refresh 2 as single targets no accession but no gain/enspell/temper to cast)
Action
no1.Cast Haste on Melee
No.2 Cast Refresh II on the WHM while haste timer is down (about 10s)
no.3 Cast Haste on another melee
No.4 Recast haste every 10s until all the melee in your PT got.

Conclusion: It takes you less then 1min 30s to have every1 hasted/refreshed wich leaves you with 3 mins 30s to dance the Lambada if you feel like it.

Ofcourse I might give too much credit to most RDM thinking that they would actually WANT to cast enhancing.....at all.But as soon as you would get to a "certain level" of event, you can be sure that melees and tank would ask and annoy you about having all those shinies on them.So can you really be mad at them for not giving you accession?

[saevel]

I think Red Mages as a community is often divided by the various ideas we would like to see implemented for the jobs, but we can all unite under this statement.

If your idea is to make enfeeblement and single/self target buffers. We want examples, even the roughest of conseptual ideas as how the developers are going to accomplish this. Even asking us pointed questions would be preferable to the near-silence we have gotten in comparison to other jobs.

We realize this job is a hard one to balance. But this difficulty should be encouraging the development team to be more vocal and open with us, not the opposite. Engage us, talk to us. Give us a direction to work with instead of letting the community tear itself apart for a lack of anything solid to work with.

In all honestly they have absolutely no clue what their going to do with us as a job. They threw out the "enfeebling specialist" as an idea, but if "Gravity II" is any indication, then we're not getting a damn thing. If SE was smart they'd just bite the damn bullet and redesign the entire enfeeble line instead of trying to band aid it all. Change gravity from -movement to just plain -evasion similar to Slow II / Blind II. Change the bind spell from 0% movement speed to a stun effect (old White Mage Hold spell). Remove ALL NM's super immunity's period, never implement them again, ever. Implement a line of -stat enfeebling spells that actually scale.

For each of the aspects of RDM (WHM/BLM/WAR) there are things they can do. Heck just put RDM on all the EX WS's, that would immediately fix many issues and would cost nearly no developer time.

There are things you can do but SE is so damn resistant to change. It really does fell like their punishing RDM as a job for all those soloists running around.