Einherjar / Limbus / Nyzul Isle / Salvage - No More Proc Systems!!

[xiozen]

I Google Translated ver. of this into the japanese forums; so hopefully SE understands how serious the issue is. Thanks for the post. Rate up!

[Alhanelem]

That's not true, they ask for feedback in both sections on the same topics.

They respond directly to JP threads more because they're Japanese and it's easier for them to do so. Any english posts from English reps need to go through the Japanese folk in japan before they can post it, or there's a risk what they post won't be accurate and people will complain about that.

There is going to be at least a minor disconnect between he communities no matter how hard they try.

[Sevokevo]

Signed... No more procs.

[Meyi]

I Google Translated ver. of this into the japanese forums; so hopefully SE understands how serious the issue is. Thanks for the post. Rate up!

Hmm, well, google translate is pretty terrible. I can tell when people use google translate and copy/paste in the game because their sentences always have 'watashi wa' or 'anata wa'.

I would translate for us, but my Japanese skills are pathetic. ; ;

[Glacont]

Hmm, well, google translate is pretty terrible. I can tell when people use google translate and copy/paste in the game because their sentences always have 'watashi wa' or 'anata wa'.

I would translate for us, but my Japanese skills are pathetic. ; ;

Whom here has the skills to do so?

[Alhanelem]

I Google Translated ver. of this into the japanese forums; so hopefully SE understands how serious the issue is. Thanks for the post. Rate up!

You don't have any idea how bad you will sound when you post machine-translated japanese on the japanese forums. It's extremely obvious.

[Afania]

@ Afania I Reviewed your first post:

It seem to give the imppression of new players given the chance to grab something with ease, where a vetran, like yourself, has work hard to achieve. And that if this is put into motion it will only be a slap in the face to those whose been here pre-Level 75 cap raised.

I really have no problem about old content being easier, since it's inevitable and I got lots of benefit from it myself too, able to obtain old gears solo/duo when it used to require a LS to do. But just feel sad to see newer players would rather do events like Einherjar/nyzul for Mythic before having one job 95, and no spells/AF3+1 when they could have spend their time in Abyssea to get basic AF3+1 first. And there's nothing to stop them, since you don't really need any work to clear those old events anymore.

This applies to relic too, a perle BST can solo a relic in a couple of months, and actually more efficent than say, a pimp pt of 4 empy/+2 DDs+1 healer. Are there even any point to work your job in this game anymore? If you can clear everything, obtain legendary tier weapon without doing some work first. Not that I agree with old 75 era only LS leaders gets relic, but getting top tier weapon without making progress on your job first or play with other of ppl just doesn't seem right, either.

Am I one of those impatient players? For obtaninig My own Mythic.. in this case I can say yes, my reason for being impatient are not important, but you have to admit the number of requirements 'as a whole' are a bit much. I have made the "suggestions" as means to revive Einherjar, Salvage, and open the doors for Mythic Weapons to be in reach; Not handed to anyone, but simplely put into reach if someone wants to take that path. From My own personal stand point, there is nothing wrong with this.

Yes I agree that some of the Mythic requirements are a bit too much. I agree that alexandrite requirement is too much when average alex drop in a run with 4 pouch(boss hardly drop pouch) is only 60. If boss pouch drop is 100% it can be a lot better. And 80% of the time whoever come and do salvage usually got nothing they want because the drop rate of gears are so low as well. ZNM trophy requirement is just fine after last update since it's now 100%. Token requirement is certainly fine when you can farm token a lot faster than it used to be by climbing faster. I also made a couple of Nyzul statics and helped a couple Nyzul climb pts for it, IMO Nyzul requirement is one of the most enjoyable stage because I get to play with many different ppl all over the place, help many new players to climb, and it's generally not as stressful as other events. Einherjar requirement is debatable, because it requires 1 year of doing Einherjar to finish. However considering you only spend 1~2hr a week on this event, and 50~100 hr of play time total, it's really not as bad. Just go do something else during the cool down time, no need to spam it over and over daily and finish it in 2 weeks.

And about assult, once I saw someone asking SE to lower the assault entrance requirement(when it's already very low). Again, I wonder if ppl in this game still play with other ppl other then your close friend? Or they just solo/duo everything? Try to find other ppl wanting to clear assault and make a static? The process of making a static with ppl you don't know and clear all assaults to reach the goal of captain is way more fun than solo/duo everything with a mule/close friend IMO.

[Afania]

The problem with completely scrapping the proc system is it lets the game go back to ToAU job favoritism again. At least with the proc system, 5 jobs get some love instead of like... 2.

Proc system is way worse than ToAU era in terms of job favoritism. And you can make up the disadvantage of certain job by improving your performance or try different strategy in TOAU era. DDx3+COR+BRD+RDM is standard bird merit pt setup. That means if you're a PLD you can't do merit pt? A PLD focused on good DD build with 2 other DDs wouldn't get much less EXP/hr compare with 3 DDs with average/below average gears. BLM can join BLM pt for merit point.

BLM and PLD wasn't loved in Nyzul, but I've cleared Nyzul run at 75 cap with PLD and BLM in pt before. It works, may be harder, but still doable. BRD is loved in Einherjar, but if you don't have a BRD leveled, and play other job instead, your einherjar gear progress won't be slower than another BRD in the LS since lotting right is based on attendance/points.

On the other hand in Abyssea pt with right job is at least 3x efficent than pt with wrong jobs. Even though pt with wrong jobs can still kill the NM just fine. I can solo(or duo with any random job like PUP) KI NM for empy on BLU, but a NIN+WAR combo with 100% proc is always 4 times faster than me(even if the WAR is naked except weapons). Even though my pt killing speed isn't slower than NIN+naked WAR, but the amount of proc available just makes a huge difference.

Proc system just makes the game lacking variety, you can't play the job you like, you can't see your pt performance improve by improving your job because another half naked pt with right job still farms KI 4x faster. And the only way to improve efficency is to go home and job change, or lv right jobs, and there are no way out of this. Job favoritism in TOAU era is nowhere near as bad as proc.

[SpankWustler]

I Google Translated ver. of this into the japanese forums; so hopefully SE understands how serious the issue is.

The development team is now aware that fish are on fire in the trouser leg trouser trouser leg of the contingent of beginnings in that place. Fish bringing fire to the hill. Fish bringing water to the hill. People are unhappy with fish.

[Aeonk]

Proc system is way worse than ToAU era in terms of job favoritism. And you can make up the disadvantage of certain job by improving your performance or try different strategy in TOAU era. DDx3+COR+BRD+RDM is standard bird merit pt setup. That means if you're a PLD you can't do merit pt? A PLD focused on good DD build with 2 other DDs wouldn't get much less EXP/hr compare with 3 DDs with average/below average gears. BLM can join BLM pt for merit point.

BLM and PLD wasn't loved in Nyzul, but I've cleared Nyzul run at 75 cap with PLD and BLM in pt before. It works, may be harder, but still doable. BRD is loved in Einherjar, but if you don't have a BRD leveled, and play other job instead, your einherjar gear progress won't be slower than another BRD in the LS since lotting right is based on attendance/points.

On the other hand in Abyssea pt with right job is at least 3x efficent than pt with wrong jobs. Even though pt with wrong jobs can still kill the NM just fine. I can solo(or duo with any random job like PUP) KI NM for empy on BLU, but a NIN+WAR combo with 100% proc is always 4 times faster than me(even if the WAR is naked except weapons). Even though my pt killing speed isn't slower than NIN+naked WAR, but the amount of proc available just makes a huge difference.

Proc system just makes the game lacking variety, you can't play the job you like, you can't see your pt performance improve by improving your job because another half naked pt with right job still farms KI 4x faster. And the only way to improve efficency is to go home and job change, or lv right jobs, and there are no way out of this. Job favoritism in TOAU era is nowhere near as bad as proc.

I call bullshit on that. The same arguement you made against procs could be used to counter your own ToAU job favoritism preference.

"You still have a reasonable chance of getting the KI after each kill, even if you don't proc. Or getting seals to drop without grellow. Sure it's not as efficient as bringing X,Y, and Z but that's ok."

Sound familiar?

You can't adopt a "well these jobs do good enough" attitude for ToAU content like nyzul isle then conveniently forget to apply that same mentallity for abyssea.

In ToAU, it was SAM + RDM + COR onry. With abyssea's system, jobs like NIN, BLM, WHM, BLU, MNK, and WAR got a little more attention and actually saw some use. Last I checked, 6 is > 3.