Seriously devs - the balance

[Greatguardian]

Then you completely misread my post and Mellowy's with it.

I want things to be hard despite having an ideal setup and perfect gear. I'm not asking for anything to be hard "For anyone who doesn't have perfect gear". Though, I guess that would naturally follow off of what I'm asking. No, I want content that's hard even for hardcores.

[Chriscoffey]

Then you completely misread my post and Mellowy's with it.

I want things to be hard despite having an ideal setup and perfect gear. I'm not asking for anything to be hard "For anyone who doesn't have perfect gear". Though, I guess that would naturally follow off of what I'm asking. No, I want content that's hard even for hardcores.

Most people fail to realize what this actually means to an "end game" challenge. They all put anyone in this mindset to the elitist frame of mind and that we must be evil bastards for considering something that takes more teamwork less zerg fest.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Myrmecoleon unless someone at S-E wises up and makes Cursna 100% effective against it.

Myrmecoleon has en-doom?

[Juri_Licious]

Why do we suffer from PS2 limitations?
SE: To keep it balanced.

[Hayward]

Myrmecoleon has en-doom?

My mistake. I was thinking of Megantereon (the tiger in La Thiene [A]). I'll never know how Myrmecoleon, which I never fought, came to my mind.

Good catch.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

My mistake. I was thinking of Megantereon (the tiger in La Thiene [A]). I'll never know how Myrmecoleon, which I never fought, came to my mind.

Good catch.

Ah, just wondered as I kill that on BST all the time and he'd never doomed me.

[Leonlionheart]

I haven't read anything other than OP and some interesting points, but I just wanted to say

The original post has one of the best points I've ever seen on these forums.

[Malamasala]

Then you completely misread my post and Mellowy's with it.

I want things to be hard despite having an ideal setup and perfect gear. I'm not asking for anything to be hard "For anyone who doesn't have perfect gear". Though, I guess that would naturally follow off of what I'm asking. No, I want content that's hard even for hardcores.

No, he read my post perfectly. Perhaps too well, maybe he is a mind reader.

And I'm just saying that so far I haven't met a single person on forums or in game that would want to do content without good loot tables for them. They obviously do not care about the content, they want to be special wearing rare armors.

You are welcome to prove me wrong. The world could need a few people who actually kill NMs without drops.

[SpankWustler]

And I'm just saying that so far I haven't met a single person on forums or in game that would want to do content without good loot tables for them. They obviously do not care about the content, they want to be special wearing rare armors.

You are welcome to prove me wrong. The world could need a few people who actually kill NMs without drops.

Counterpoint: People actually do Voidwatch.

Voidwatch's item distribution system is byzantine. A large chunk of the items obtained are extremely situational.

A big part of the reason that many people do Voidwatch is because it provides a different experience than most other content available right now. People do want Toci's Thingy, but I think it's safe to say such items aren't the main reason people do Voidwatch.

[Economizer]

Voidwatch's item distribution system is byzantine. A large chunk of the items obtained are extremely situational.

To be fair to Voidwatch, I like the fact that each drop is individual - it destroys point systems that have a chance of rewarding favoritism. I think the entire system could easily get a fix by making rare items that someone already has automatically go into the pool when they open their chest (or by making none of the items that drop in VW chests ex). The problem with such a fix is that SE would claim they have to nerf already low drop rates in order to maintain "balance" somehow.