[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Kincard]

I dunno if anyone has mentioned it yet, but a couple nice options opened up by these new weapon skills is kinda dampened by the fact of how few weapons for non-specialist jobs have been released past 75. By that I mean most clubs released have been for PLD and WHM, most good daggers for THF, DNC, BRD, etc.

Like how BLU has access to a good club WS now in case you're fighting skeletons or something (Yeah I know there's plenty of blunt spells, but it's nice to have melee swings be stronger too, and BLU has a B- with the things anyway), but the last decent club for BLU was like, Mighty Cudgel or something back at level 70. There hasn't been any decent spears for WAR or SAM for a couple levels, etc. Hoping they add some new weapons to compensate for this, otherwise the multi-job nature of these WS is kinda pointless in terms of damage type flexibility.

[Greatguardian]

As far as Polearms go, Quint Spear is going to be pretty decent for these new WS considering the vast majority of their functional damage rating is going to be coming from WSC.

[Afania]

Yes, there are already very small choices that must be made when meriting basic stats. Nobody calls that fun. They just deal with it. Not one single person has ever ever ever said "Hey SE, do you guys think you could add more category caps, and make the merits MORE specific, so that I have absolutely no chance off being good at both a mage and a DD class on the same character? I'm really tired of the temptation to do both.". Nobody likes that. they just accept it.

Why merit anything at all if you don't care that your jobs does less damage than others?

What's so fun about playing a RPG if you can't create an unique aspect of your character, unless you go do relic/mythic and fill your inventory with 0.00001% situational pieces. A character's uniqueness based on gear grinding, inventory filling and "play style"(which never exist in this game) is pretty lame.

It's pretty pointless to create a character in a RPG that has nothing special, no weakness and no strength, nothing stands out. Unless your definition of fun is to be the very best at everything, do best dmg and won't allow even 0.1% of difference when comparing with someone else. If that's the case, then I really have nothing to say, since my definition of fun in a RPG, is different from you. For me a taru WAR doing 0.1% lower dmg than elvaan is personality, the unique aspect of being a taru WAR, for you it's hinderance to compete with other ppl.

I care about the role-playing element and being unique, if you only care about competition then that's too bad.

And personally I don't believe every_single_player in this game has same definition as you or me as well. Saying "nobody likes that, they just accept it" is just false assumption. Or else nobody would ever play a taru WAR, or galka mage, even though they know their DD/mage aspect would suck before they create their character.

No one is going to do 1/5, or any variation of that. 5/5 is the only way they are powerful enough to be worth it. Please stop saying people can do 1/1.

If you're only doing merit WS for your none-empy jobs, and if SE can raise mod of 1/5 to 80%, I don't see what's the very big deal about doing 1/5 for your none-empy jobs. You just want an acceptable performance and get invite to pt no? If you want performance that's above acceptable go do an empy/WoE. Doing 50 less dmg than other ppl is not the end of the world, kid. You will still get invited.

How many of the WS are gamebreakingly worth getting, though? It's not like they're all best-in-class skills. Most are a sidegrade at best next to their respective Empyrean WS, with or without Aftermath.

GK dagger gun(although for RNG probably not so much) club(although I think PLD BLU can totally just use almace) Axe.

Or maybe sword when needing none-elemental dmg.

The real game changing ones are not even more than 3~4.

[Greatguardian]

Gun is 4.0-4.5 fTP 100% AGI stacked against 5.5 fTP 60% AGI. It's a solid competitor/alternative to Wildfire, but I wouldn't say it crushes it. Armageddon gets ODD too.

[FrankReynolds]

What's so fun about playing a RPG if you can't create an unique aspect of your character, unless you go do relic/mythic and fill your inventory with 0.00001% situational pieces. A character's uniqueness based on gear grinding, inventory filling and "play style"(which never exist in this game) is pretty lame.

So your in favor of limiting merits, and you don't like the gearing aspect... how else do I enhance my Job performance (beside the obvious "just play better")?

It's pretty pointless to create a character in a RPG that has nothing special, no weakness and no strength, nothing stands out. Unless your definition of fun is to be the very best at everything, do best dmg and won't allow even 0.1% of difference when comparing with someone else. If that's the case, then I really have nothing to say, since my definition of fun in a RPG, is different from you. For me a taru WAR doing 0.1% lower dmg than elvaan is personality, the unique aspect of being a taru WAR, for you it's hinderance to compete with other ppl.

The jobs already have strengths and weakness. I can't melee Quiln on my whm. I can't main cure on monk. I don't need any merits or gear to prove that.

I care about the role-playing element and being unique, if you only care about competition then that's too bad.

It sounds to me like you want to be better at something just because you picked a certain job, and not have to actually put any work into meriting / gearing said job. That's cool and all, but an MMO that doesn't allow improvement of ones character is a dead MMO in a very short time frame. I mean, I guess if this was street fighter or mortal kombat, that would be cool, but it's not. I can go play a game with a clear beginning and end (not and MMORPG) if I don't want to build my character over time.

And personally I don't believe every_single_player in this game has same definition as you or me as well. Saying "nobody likes that, they just accept it" is just false assumption. Or else nobody would ever play a taru WAR, or galka mage, even though they know their DD/mage aspect would suck before they create their character.

Go back and read all your posts, and see how many little thumbs up you got.

EDIT: If people could switch races like they switch jobs, very very very few people would play melee jobs on taru. For instance. My taru started as WHM. He now has E.body, Black belt etc. I would love to change him to a hume. I can't. I suspect that some people picked tarus cuz they like them, many picked them because they wanted to make a mage char. None picked them because they like having low HP and Melee stats.

If you're only doing merit WS for your none-empy jobs, and if SE can raise mod of 1/5 to 80%, I don't see what's the very big deal about doing 1/5 for your none-empy jobs. You just want an acceptable performance and get invite to pt no? If you want performance that's above acceptable go do an empy/WoE. Doing 50 less dmg than other ppl is not the end of the world, kid. You will still get invited.

Using it at 1/5 would be worse than existing WS that people get as low as 60 in some cases. That will never happen, but keep repeating "1/5 is fine". Some people swear that affirmations work.

[Alhanelem]

The jobs already have strengths and weakness. I can't melee Quiln on my whm. I can't main cure on monk. I don't need any merits or gear to prove that.

The strengths and weaknesses are over other people playing the same roles as you. Lots of people have <job> leveled, but not everyone has invested their merits in a way to optimize <job>. Especially now when many people have 10+ jobs leveled, there's not many ways to stand out besides gear and "not sucking." Limiting merits adds another way.

The WHOLE POINT of merits was to allow players to spec out a certain way- not just to provide a general, generic boost to stats- If that were the case, it may as well have just been more levels with no new spells/abilities.

[newmonkey]

What they need to do is remove the - Attack penatly on resolution this is just stupid and silly to have on.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Looks like Resolution isn't alone in that, Blade: Shun looks to have one and possibly Requeiscat as well.

[Byrth]

Exenterator has also been underperforming my expectations, but I need to do a more controlled test to be sure.

[Urteil]

Ohhhh maaan, does the Great Katana one not have an attack penalty?

OH SHIT WHAT A SURPRISE!

(Seriously, does it?)