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  1. #851
    Player Siiri's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenmore View Post
    And the fact that Sam gets a WS for just merits that you can get in 4 hours thats better then Emp./relic is insulting.
    I hate that SE spoonfed all the bandwagon, idiot SAMs again. I so enjoyed not seeing SAMs in Abyssea, now they all over like some insect infestation.
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  2. #852
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenmore View Post
    And the fact that Sam gets a WS for just merits that you can get in 4 hours thats better then Emp./relic is insulting.
    guess u don't know how relic suxed vs emperyan this WS has fixed the balance between the weapons.

    This WS boosts relic DMG by ALOT and now it can compete w/ emperyans.
    w/ Emperyan the WS only adds to the weapon not to mention SE were nice in making them both STR mods.

    either way the WS has made it Mythic > Relic > Emp for SAM which imo is the correct order.

    I honestly thought that a job that main purpose is spamming WSing getting a good WS was a good thing.
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    Last edited by Rezeak; 12-19-2011 at 06:57 AM.
    Main : 99 DRK
    Subs : 99 SMN COR SCH MELEEWHM
    Server : Ragnarök
    Relics : 95 Ragnarok and 95 Apoc
    Ironic that when i was young i never had enough video games but now i have too many and not enough time to play them .

  3. #853
    Player Ilax's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothscar View Post
    What kind of empyrean weapon takes 3 weeks, let alone 3 months? A relic can be finished in 3 months assuming you're farming Dynamis and get 150~250 pieces of currency per day. Can be done in less time if you're getting that 250 or more frequently.

    The weaponskills are not what make those weapons strong to begin with, for the most part. It's their added effects and other such bonuses tied to them that pull them ahead of the riffraff. Getting a new, powerful weaponskill would only serve to buff relics. Empyreans aren't worth complaining about as they're already incredibly easy to make and not hugely time consuming.

    A middle ground, however, would suffice. Make them stronger than the level 65 weaponskills for christ sake.





    Sarcasm tags weren't there upon response btw, in case anyone gets confused later.
    Was talking about a WS you can drag your death body AFK'ing leeching 1m exp in 1 day, VS empy, relic, mythic that you actually have to work for, but you right is definitively balanced.

    Also lol if you talking about poison on mandau or the aftermath "occasionaly fail to crit hit", and yet i am not even talking about polearm, staff, club etc...

    Edit: The 1 day for WS merit, 3 month for Empy and 6 month for Relic, i stated was for casual player. And i was pretty much generous there..
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    Last edited by Ilax; 12-19-2011 at 07:22 AM.

  4. #854
    Player Prothscar's Avatar
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    That isn't casual, that's super casual never logs on more than once a month.
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  5. #855
    Player Clou777's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    For Mage WSes

    WHM should gain a Job trait that converts hp cured -> tp
    BLM SCH should have a better improved Occult Acumen (BLM may as well have it at the same level as SCH)
    RDM should get a lower teir version of hp cured -> tp and Occut Acumen.

    The above would allow SE to make useful Weapons skills for the mages.
    Everyone always misses out on summoner, i change staff also when macroing BPs. there has to be another way to fix the problems with the tp reset on weapon change, ive gone 5/5 shattersoul for summoner and its terrible, usually only doing 600-800 and i dont think its really worth engaging an enemy for.
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    SMN99 WHM99 BLM99 THF99 PLD99 SAM99 NIN99 BLU99 DNC99 MNK99 WAR99

  6. #856
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clou777 View Post
    Everyone always misses out on summoner, i change staff also when macroing BPs. there has to be another way to fix the problems with the tp reset on weapon change, ive gone 5/5 shattersoul for summoner and its terrible, usually only doing 600-800 and i dont think its really worth engaging an enemy for.
    Not to be "that guy" but get either a relic staff, empyrean staff, or a Nirvana, or some other staff you don't have to macro out as much.

    That said, the thing I think Summoner really needs is for Blood Pacts to skillchain like they do at lower levels. This would help even Summoners who don't necessarily wish to melee, while helping the ones who do.
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  7. #857
    Player Alderin's Avatar
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    Where is the nerf to Shoha in this list?
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  8. #858
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rezeak View Post
    guess u don't know how relic suxed vs emperyan this WS has fixed the balance between the weapons.

    This WS boosts relic DMG by ALOT and now it can compete w/ emperyans.
    w/ Emperyan the WS only adds to the weapon not to mention SE were nice in making them both STR mods.

    either way the WS has made it Mythic > Relic > Emp for SAM which imo is the correct order.

    I honestly thought that a job that main purpose is spamming WSing getting a good WS was a good thing.
    Huh. So you see relic as just a high dmg weapon, then still the relic WS is trash compared to the a free WS. Better yet getting a TP bouns weapon would be better to "spam" WS with right.
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  9. #859
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    Tsukinokaji
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    WHM Lv 99
    Still humored, my thf has been sitting at 90 since the cap was 90. I have 0/5 in dagger.

    Why is it they had to add them as "actual" learned WS? It seems lazy, like they took the easy way out.
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  10. #860
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklon View Post
    I was holding out hope for a decent axe WS. Way to crush it SE. 100 merits for crap. I feel insulted by you giving me "busy work". BTW Cloudsplitter blows as well. I've rampaged a million times over and it's just getting old. The only option left is to go for the Guttler..... yeah.. That will happen. lol
    What axe WS are you using? Ruinator is a badass WS.
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