[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Brolic]

umm no it would happen if they are better then skill lv 300 ws and below as well. Not to mention some have utility factos <plague>

The lv 300 ws? who uses those?
Utility?? when was the last time you invited a war to full break a mob?

[brayen]

The lv 300 ws? who uses those?
Utility?? when was the last time you invited a war to full break a mob?

Fell cleave ? Aeoline edge? need i go on?
and full break is a terrable example, try flat blade as a utility spell as an example instead

[Mirage]

Fell cleave ? Aeoline edge? need i go on?
and full break is a terrable example, try flat blade as a utility spell as an example instead

Agreed. There's uses for many of the lv300 WSes. Also, I think the problem with the lower level utility WSes is that the damage from them is *very* low compared to what you'd use for max damage. If full break did 75% as much as a raging rush, I think it would would be used more often, at least on mobs that have a buttload of def/eva/whatever.

I am very much in favor of a game where there isn't always one single WS that is the best choice for every possible target. In order to do this, the enfeebling effects of some WSes needs to be boosted a bit, or the damage of the WSes boosted while keeping the enfeebling effect the same.

[brayen]

Agreed. There's uses for many of the lv300 WSes. Also, I think the problem with the lower level utility WSes is that the damage from them is *very* low compared to what you'd use for max damage. If full break did 75% as much as a raging rush, I think it would would be used more often, at least on mobs that have a buttload of def/eva/whatever.

I am very much in favor of a game where there isn't always one single WS that is the best choice for every possible target. In order to do this, the enfeebling effects of some WSes needs to be boosted a bit, or the damage of the WSes boosted while keeping the enfeebling effect the same.

Thats the point tho. full break debuff is just very low to usually be worth using(which is why i said it was a bad example on his part), but something like flat blade for its stun effect can be game changing if it saves your life. The acc down effect from kamu can be good on solo jobs for nin, blind para and silance have always been awesome on sam as well. This is what is meant by utility, for raw damage there will always be only one choice for each combat skill.

In either case, the main point was the whole merit idea that is making you choose is very disappointing for anyone who uses more then 3 weapons.

[Brolic]

Thats the point tho. full break debuff is just very low to usually be worth using(which is why i said it was a bad example on his part), but something like flat blade for its stun effect can be game changing if it saves your life. The acc down effect from kamu can be good on solo jobs for nin, blind para and silance have always been awesome on sam as well. This is what is meant by utility, for raw damage there will always be only one choice for each combat skill.

In either case, the main point was the whole merit idea that is making you choose is very disappointing for anyone who uses more then 3 weapons.

The scenario Insaniac posted about was event related, solo and even cleaving are not the same. That being said vere mnks and ukko wars arent going to be turned away because they don’t have these ws.