[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Quetzacoatl]

Okay...That's it. I really, really do have to ask, now that we have more nerfs coming on...



Square-Enix, reducing damage dealt on these weapon skills is NON-NEGOTIABLE. "BALANCE" SHOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. Leave them be as they were, or you all are going to be facing some serious backlash (even though you're already getting it).

NONE OF THESE WEAPON SKILLS SHOULD BE ANY LESS POWERFUL THAN THE SAME LEVEL 60 WEAPON SKILLS WE'VE BEEN USING FOR YEARS. NERFING THE MERIT WEAPON SKILLS DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO "HAVE A LITTLE BITE," LIKE YOU SAY ABOUT ENDGAME CONTENT RIDDLED WITH DESIGN FLAWS. THIS IS OUTRIGHT STUPID.

I leave this thread in total frustration with a depiction of where these nerfs have lead to:

[Urteil]

Okay, here we go again:



I like how they didn't even mention Entropy.

They can't possibly come up with BS to make that seem logical.

I'd like to see them try.


SE seems to think that if they explain their thinking behind things that somehow instantly makes it okay!

[Aleste]

Club Weapon Skill “Realm Razer”
The idea behind the adjustment is the same as Ruinator.

We are making it so that the amount of damage will be around the same as Hexa Strike if you have full accuracy and get 2-3 criticals. Again, this is for 100 TP and more damage can be dealt depending on gear and food.

We ultimately decided to adjust this weapon skill due to the fact that a non-critical hit modifier weapon skill would easily surpass the maximum damage dealt by Hexa Strike in stable conditions, and the result would cause a rapid increase in damage inflation.

After how disappointing Dagan was for an empyrean weapon skill, I can't say I'm too surprised. Gee, thanks SE...

Also, is it just me, or did mystic boon get ninja-patched? It's been dealing about 50-75% of what I recall it used to be capable of.

[Frost]

According to Square-Enix logic....

There should be no Dagger Weapon Skill stronger than Wasp Sting.

There should be no Sword Weapon Skill stronger than Fast Blade.

There should be no Katana Weapon Skill stronger than Blade: Rin.

There should be no Great Sword Weapon Skill stronger than Power Slash.

There should be no Club Weapon Skill stronger than Shining Strike.

There should be no Hand-to-hand Weapon Skill stronger than Combo.

There should be no Great Katana Weapon Skill stronger than Tachi: Enpi.

There should be no Great Axe Weapon Skill stronger than Shield Break.

There should be no Axe Weapon Skill stronger than Raging Axe.

There should be no Staff Weapon Skill stronger than Heavy Swing.

There should be no Polearm Weapon Skill stronger than Double Thrust.

There should be no Scythe Weapon Skill stronger than Slice.

There should be no Marksmanship or Archery Weapon Skills stronger than Hot Shot or Flaming Arrow.


Square, if you can refute anything I've said here, then you've just made my point.

[Calysto]

i don't get how it is balancing.

basicaly, they are giving some jobs others weapons options with "decent" weaponskills.
there's no ballance here. that's just keeping the status quo to me.(sam being ahead seems to be part of it XD )

taking club as an exemple. why not just add hexa strike to the jobs that are on "realmrazer" ? i mean, if it's supposed to do the same...

also. the ws look great, sure, they have "badass" names, but at this rate, you should really reconsider the naming. i mean "realmrazer", "ruinator", "stardiver", etc... better called "wallrazer", "ruin", "bridgediver", etc...

SE better fix existing WSs before adding new flawed WSs.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

i don't get how it is balancing.

It's not. It's the "PLD effect" or if you'd like, the "relic effect." Essentialy people with relic/mythic/empyrean have pissed and moaned like they have in the past untill SE caved. Leading them to nerf anything new so they can hold ontil thier oold outdated garbage so they can still feel accomplished. Simple realy.

[Nightfyre]

It's not. It's the "PLD effect" or if you'd like, the "relic effect." Essentialy people with relic/mythic/empyrean have pissed and moaned like they have in the past untill SE caved. Leading them to nerf anything new so they can hold ontil thier oold outdated garbage so they can still feel accomplished. Simple realy.

Not really. If that was the issue they could just add buffs to those weapons in the same update. It's also worth noting that the weaponskills could have been a boon to relics with weak weaponskills if implemented properly, in addition to buffing non-relic/mythic/emp weapons. Excal and Requiescat, Kikoku and Blade: Shun, etc. Spharai and Twashtar/Mandau will actually benefit in this manner, with the caveat that the daggers will still use their unique ws when stacked, but that's two of the handful of useful ws this update when it could have been a buff to many, many players.

[Finuve]

I don't understand why SE would take so much time creating completely new animations, new effects, and a new system for unlocking Weapon skills, when the playerbase will not be using any of them

[doctorugh]

I wonder if those who put so much time into creating animations get pissed that they will rarely (if ever) get used due to developers idea of "balance". Like telling an artist their artwork work is beautiful but will only being showing it in the basement of a burned out building in a dangerous area.

[Frost]

Well what gets me is the jobs that benefit most form these weaponskills, now have even less reason to even bother with them...

Case and point: Whm.

You got a nice new Club Weaponskill to use.
They nerf it to less than Hexastrike.
Now there's no reason to merit it.

The logic is flawed...

Do they think now that Warrior and Paladin gets access to a good Club Weaponskill, they're going to forgo their 'A' weapons, and the new weaponskills for those 'A' weapons in favor of a club?

No...

The person that's going to benefit form the Club weaponskill is the one that uses Clubs, Whm... And I bet you a dozen Donuts those Whms are were looking forward to being able to use something different than they've been using for EIGHT YEARS....