[dev1049] New weapon skills

[xiozen]

Being lazy does not provide grounds to exempt Empyrean weaponskills from your listings. They are the superior weaponskills in most or every situation, there's no getting around that. Many to most players do in fact have at least one Empyrean weapon, the lazy minority is not a model to work an entire argument around.

Empyrean weaponskills are the standard.

What you YOU smoking? Emp. weaponskills are "NOT" the standard... get off your box-cart, your highness...

[Prothscar]

What you YOU smoking? Emp. weaponskills are "NOT" the standard... get off your box-cart, your highness...

Look, if you and your peers can't take a week or less to create an easy to make weapon that isn't my problem. Saying that 60% or more of people have an empyrean weapon would not be far from the truth. Your linkshell might not, and that's likely because your linkshell is lazy. The biggest gimplets could complete an empyrean in a respectable timeframe. Your inability to do so still does not exempt Empyrean weaponskills from being compared to the merit weaponskills.

Big ass lie. Huge majority of people does not have an Empyrean.

Secondly, Empyreans isn't what this is about, they were talking about Hexa Strike, so he used comparable WS from other jobs to demonstrate his point. It's not at all related to how good or bad they are in comparison.

Again, please refer to my statement above. The majority of people do in fact have at least one empyrean weapon, and if not an empyrean then a gimpyrean. If it isn't related to how good or bad they are in comparison, perhaps he shouldn't have said how good and bad they are in comparison or perhaps only compared the club weaponskill since that's the only one that has been directly compared to an older weaponskill by a community rep. It's also worth noting that he wasn't comparing the club weaponskill to hexa strike btw, he was saying that SAM has a bunch of great weaponskills compared to other jobs.

So just for clairification, the new sword WS will be good for rocs, elementals,flans,ghosts,mimics,skeletons and slimes;on anything else vorpal(or CDC) will be better (maybe sanguine for that matter)?

Does it go through any natural -PDT% stuff or just deals with damage types?

It functions exactly like Twilight Scythe and thus bypasses all forms of physical resistance and most forms of physical immunity. The problem is, it still won't be close to worthwhile even on those types of monsters. Either they'll be so low of a level that Sanguine Blade would be as effective, (even mid to highish level monsters this would be the case, at least you get some HP back too), or will be so high that the attack penalty on Requiescat would cripple it completely.

It comes down to whether you want to spend 5 of your merit WS slots and 1,000,000 limit points on a WS to farm crystals with or use in few and far between specialized circumstances where it isn't that far ahead of the competition.

[Kalilla]

Being lazy does not provide grounds to exempt Empyrean weaponskills from your listings. They are the superior weaponskills in most or every situation, there's no getting around that. Many to most players do in fact have at least one Empyrean weapon, the lazy minority is not a model to work an entire argument around.

Empyrean weaponskills are the standard.

Big ass lie. Huge majority of people does not have an Empyrean.

What you YOU smoking? Emp. weaponskills are "NOT" the standard... get off your box-cart, your highness...

Look, if you and your peers can't take a week or less to create an easy to make weapon that isn't my problem. Saying that 60% or more of people have an empyrean weapon would not be far from the truth. Your linkshell might not, and that's likely because your linkshell is lazy. The biggest gimplets could complete an empyrean in a respectable timeframe. Your inability to do so still does not exempt Empyrean weaponskills from being compared to the merit weaponskills. The majority of people do in fact have at least one empyrean weapon, and if not an empyrean then a gimpyrean. If it isn't related to how good or bad they are in comparison, perhaps he shouldn't have said how good and bad they are in comparison or perhaps only compared the club weaponskill since that's the only one that has been directly compared to an older weaponskill by a community rep. It's also worth noting that he wasn't comparing the club weaponskill to hexa strike btw, he was saying that SAM has a bunch of great weaponskills compared to other jobs.

I wasn't aware that 300,000 empyreans have been made now. It's more like maybe 10,000 people own them across all servers and have 2 or more each. I know it's easy to look at figures and go, oh, there's 50,000 empyreans out there. 50,000 people must own them. No. You underestimate a person's will to farm shit when they want said shit, and you overestimate other person's ability to jump in a group to farm or 2 box another character. I have 2 right now. I WILL have 4 soon, possibly as many as 6 when it's all said and done with. And I'm one person. Who doesn't go through linkshells to get them. And you, whoever you may happen to be, think empyrean weapons are standard? More common than relics by like a factor of 5 does not equate to "standard"

Magian weapons are still the standard, with ex/ra from NM behind it, and maybe MAYBE Empyreans have AH stuff beat out by now. Good grief I get such kicks watching people try to make this point time and again about Empyreans being standard. A couple people spew that non sense off here and there in their shells and on internet forums and everyone starts to believe it. Reminds me of theory crafting or worse, theory TH. Theory Empyreans, enjoy it while you can. You're just a fad, playa.

If you're too lazy to make at least 1 easy weapon, well, what are you doing?

Or it could be that you're just ignorant, "playa". Empyrean weapons are standard. They are thus one of the standards on which to judge other weapons and weaponskills; a casual jog through Port Jeuno or Ru'lude Gardens will turn up more empyreans per capita than your ridiculous estimations.

If they can't find a single other person to make their weapon with, then they have bigger problems than weaponskills to contend with.

I'm not sure why the empy talk started up, but I support Proth on this one.

They are the standard, before abyssea did you see SE use relics in all their screenshots? No, they used standard gear and mostly AF1/AF2 at the time.

When you see screenshots since abyssea what do you see? Full empy armor with an empy weapon. Go look if you must, I've read the news for years and I know this to be a fact.

With that point alone I think they are standard. SE is showing them off because they are easy to get.

I myself have one, club, and did I need a linkshell to make it? No I did not.

I did mine with just 1 other person, duo'ing a weapon is very common.

I can't defend people who say that it isn't standard, because that just isn't true. Anything that easy has to be the standard, if you don't have one I question how much you've actually tried.

If you don't have one, then I would like to hear your reason. It's been over a year since abyssea started, what have you been doing this whole time? Really, this is a serious question. If you weren't making a weapon what the hell did you do for 12 months? Quit?

Most people who have an empy didn't use their LS to make one, didn't make ls members slaves. It takes some hard work but nothing huge. They are very easy to make and in my opinion not that much harder than any other elemental trial.

If you look at it that way then are magian staffs not the standard for mages? I will laugh if you don't think so. Any self-respecting mage will have at least 1 fully upgraded magian staff.

If you don't even have a fully upgraded trial in anything then please leave this discussion now.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Farsha is for brews that's about it.

Maybe a faux high damage main hand on bst? Idk I only see them in pet axes all the time. Or Glyph Axes...

Sam is powerful but it's not the most powerful DD in the game. Do not fear though, SE is clearly hard at work rectifying this problem.

There's something about catering to the lowest denominator in all this, but I'm too tired to post it.

[SpankWustler]

I think not accounting for Empyrean weaponskills is a big part of how the Development Bros came up with the statistics for these weaponskills in the first place. Or, in some cases, even considering a Warrior sacrificing well over 40 main-hand attack and accuracy to whack something with a Club instead of a Great Axe.

I feel like I'm dealing with a automotive salesman who wants to sell me a 1978 Chevy Van for 40,000 dollars because it weighs twice as much as a new car. They're missing some very important factors and focusing on barely relevant stuff instead.

[Theytak]

I think not accounting for Empyrean weaponskills is a big part of how the Development Bros came up with the statistics for these weaponskills in the first place. Or, in some cases, even considering a Warrior sacrificing well over 40 main-hand attack and accuracy to whack something with a Club instead of a Great Axe.

I feel like I'm dealing with a automotive salesman who wants to sell me a 1978 Chevy Van for 40,000 dollars because it weighs twice as much as a new car. They're missing some very important factors and focusing on barely relevant stuff instead.

Sounds like business as usual to me

[casual]

I just wanted to add my 5 cents about how the devs are completely retarded at this point. I love sam and all, but the dev team has made it clear that they want most of these new ws to be useless or highly situational. Sam gets a WS that makes Masamune more or less useless, DRK gets another guillotine -1 that restores mp! Awesome.

[Arcon]

Being lazy does not provide grounds to exempt Empyrean weaponskills from your listings. They are the superior weaponskills in most or every situation, there's no getting around that. Many to most players do in fact have at least one Empyrean weapon, the lazy minority is not a model to work an entire argument around.

Empyrean weaponskills are the standard.

Big ass lie. Huge majority of people does not have an Empyrean.

Secondly, Empyreans isn't what this is about, they were talking about Hexa Strike, so he used comparable WS from other jobs to demonstrate his point. It's not at all related to how good or bad they are in comparison.

Shoha is something that's extremely needed for sam in the current state of the ws for the current state of sam and the game. Nerfing it is straight up making sam an inferior DD by not giving them a relevant ws.

That's wrong, SAM is a very powerful DD in the current state of the game, arguably the best. Although that wasn't even the point, it just shows you don't know your shit.

As for the current topic (Realmrazer nerf), I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. Although if I do, maybe it'll carry more weight, so here goes: Retarded. Another example in a long line of mistakes by the development team. Good going, guys.

[IronPandemonium]

That's wrong, SAM is a very powerful DD in the current state of the game, arguably the best.

Shut up.

Guess what job I play in 2011, going on '12 currently with a weapon that I obtained in a mere two months compared to the two and a half years I took to complete my relic back before Abyssea.

You're one of those paladins without Ochain or even Almace that full times 5/5 Creed +2 because it's good, am I right.

[Arcon]

Guess what job I play in 2011, going on '12 currently with a weapon that I obtained in a mere two months compared to the two and a half years I took to complete my relic back before Abyssea.

You apparently just don't know how to play your job. Also, it seems logic isn't really your thing. Since you linked your account, I assume you think a relic makes you good (which is wrong).

You're one of those paladins without Ochain or even Almace that full times 5/5 Creed +2 because it's good, am I right.

Wrong. Also, irrelevant to the discussion.