[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Taint2]

Just an FYI out there. the WS still have a stat mod with 1 merit. It appears to be a 15% base and the first point does add 17%; I've read about some testing suggesting that the stat modifier when maxed is 100% of the stat.

These weapon skills are not so jaw dropping amazing (for the most part) that you will suddenly be a terrible gimp if you can't have every one for every job. The whole point of the merit system in the first place, though, was to enable specialization, so that sure, you can play every job, but you will be stronger with your personal jobs of choice. Thus, even when everyone has every job maxed, some people will still be stronger as one job than as another.

Also as an aside, 15 points does allow you to get every weapon skill- they just won't have very strong stat mods.

1/5 is 20% Mod
2/5 is 40%
3/5 is 60%
4/5 is 80%
5/5 is 100%

But there is a 0.85 Alpha applied which explains the 17% increase.

[Coldbrand]

I just hope they increase the merit category cap to 20 or 25. 3 isn't enough.

[brayen]

i think he just missed what your point was. Not sure why he got so offended. (i think u two are even on the same side of the argument in this discussion too which makes it funny but w/e lol)

[Greatguardian]

i think he just missed what your point was. Not sure why he got so offended. (i think u two are even on the same side of the argument in this discussion too which makes it funny but w/e lol)

Possibly. I'm seeing absolutely no consistency at all in my reading of the past 3 pages. People seem to be all over the place.

It would help if the term "Cookie Cutter" was expanded upon, because that is driving me crazy. The hell is wrong with using the best TP/WS/merit sets for a job? They're the best because they're the best. There is no subjective case there. Using this as a derogatory term is flying in the face of the rest of what appears to be going on here.

[Economizer]

It would help if the term "Cookie Cutter" was expanded upon, because that is driving me crazy. The hell is wrong with using the best TP/WS/merit sets for a job? They're the best because they're the best. There is no subjective case there. Using this as a derogatory term is flying in the face of the rest of what appears to be going on here.

I think calling someone "cookie cutter" is the poor statement that their gear and merits match. That's kind of inevitable and only matters if you think it does.

I was replying to the person who was saying that allowing people to merit as many WS as they want would result in people being cookie cutter. I was telling them that thinking that using the best sets for a job does not set you apart, but rather, playing well does.

Of course, having these things helps, which is why I think they should be available for all jobs someone has, rather then being limited to placate people who are irrationally afraid of looking the same as others.

I don't think that someone could log into your character and do what you do unless they know what you know and care enough about it to put in the effort to pull it off. This isn't necessarily hard, but putting in the effort to do these things is something most people don't do, and I think that should be what sets us apart (not that that is neccisary) not some artificial limit on merit point allocation.

Hopefully this helps, and if I used phrasing that was confusing before, I'm sorry.

[Greatguardian]

Point taken, I'm sorry about that then. In the post you quoted, I saw nothing about cookie cutter from the other guy, so apparently I was missing a good deal of context.

Honestly, I could care less about the whole merit deal. I already know I'm only unlocking GKT, H2H, and Gun. I have a Vereth and an Armageddon already, but those WS just look supercool - and are situationally useful regardless. Last Stand is easily comparable to Wildfire, and would be stronger on anything that physical or non-fire damage are more viable on. Shijin's plague effect is fairly potent, though probably ineffectual on real NMs, so it's a nice solo/lowman tool for summoning pokemanz and keeping TP feed down.

Shoha is just a beast, though. I'm making a new magian GKT for it. A 99 TPBonus Keito with 5/5 Shoha is likely going to demolish a 90Masamune with Fudo, and there's no way I'm taking a Masa to 99.

[brayen]

Cookie cutter is simply a term used for what you see the most of. Peoples argument is that this makes for a change...simply because some people will be able to access the better WS while others who don't have such a luxury to merit enough for all their jobs will be left behind(forcing which jobs you ultimately use as no one will consider a job using raging axe cuz they lack rampage *as an example*) In any case, cookie cutter is deemed evil because people just see same job classes wearing the same stuff and using the same WS/spells, even tho a greta majority of the time said cookie cutters are in fact not wearing the optimal gear or anything like that which makes it all the more humorous.

[Greatguardian]

I know what Cookie Cutter means, the important thing was context. In the context you bring up, I think it's silly to be upset over it. If X gear is the best, I'm going to wear X. If other people wear X too, so what? Good for them, I say. That's always going to happen, no matter what.

What makes you say that "cookie cutting" isn't optimal, though? Why would people wear a set en masse if it was not optimal? Are you referring to the spread of misinformation? If so, I'm against that too! Hell, it's the vast majority of why I post on these forums. You should see the things people come up with.

However, if you were to give everyone all of the knowledge about the game in existence, along with the ability to GM any gear they want out of thin air, people are going to end up wearing the same thing 95% of the time.

[brayen]

I know what Cookie Cutter means, the important thing was context. In the context you bring up, I think it's silly to be upset over it. If X gear is the best, I'm going to wear X. If other people wear X too, so what? Good for them, I say. That's always going to happen, no matter what.

What makes you say that "cookie cutting" isn't optimal, though? Why would people wear a set en masse if it was not optimal? Are you referring to the spread of misinformation? If so, I'm against that too! Hell, it's the vast majority of why I post on these forums. You should see the things people come up with.

However, if you were to give everyone all of the knowledge about the game in existence, along with the ability to GM any gear they want out of thin air, people are going to end up wearing the same thing 95% of the time.

because cookie cutter is usually optimal within reason. For example, a good majority of people have totally skipped out on augmenting abj gear due to the retarded random stats, even tho for a good amount of cases these are the optimal choices. you bring up good points on misinformation as well but main point i was stating was this. as cookie cutter is usually reference to "basic" gear that players wear.

[FrankReynolds]

because cookie cutter is usually optimal within reason. For example, a good majority of people have totally skipped out on augmenting abj gear due to the retarded random stats, even tho for a good amount of cases these are the optimal choices. you bring up good points on misinformation as well but main point i was stating was this. as cookie cutter is usually reference to "basic" gear that players wear.

I opted out of that crap because I am against random stats as well, and I refuse to give SE a reason to put that shit on more gear. Nobody wants to be cookie cutter, but by placing these merit caps, they are basically saying that you can only be really good at 3 of 20 jobs (depending on the WS), unless you go build a relic or something. That's pretty harsh. Bear in mind that I'm saying this as a person who probably won't run into that limitation as much as many others will. I'm for the good of the player base. I don't want to be doing Nyzul PUG with a bunch of crappy DDs who have no WS (just and example). I also don't wanna have to filter people out based on that.

As for defending the interwebs from terrible misinformation, please refer to my signature if your not sure these stupid people exist. :P