Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Cljader1]

Well i dont want be rude with you.

If you dont parse with regularity your events for check your perfomance, you cant know if you are doing well and how well your LS mates is doing.

Probably your Ukovansara war friend is doing x3 more damage than your apoc drk and you ignore it. Probably you are doing x2 damage with your calabolg and you dont know it.

A tip. Play on pc if you can parse your events and after outparsing yourselft with Apoc/ragnarok/Calabolg, claim which one is better.

Or do some maths for compare all the power this weapons with diferent sets of gear and haste %. Doing maths you can compare all scenarios you want.

The Occ deals double damage and WS damage on "a lot" of empyreal weapons is just too powerfull and overpowered for a simple high base damage weapon or a silly hidden effects without real prouds and serious tests can beat it.

Well a drk is not out parsing a war with ukon, war is king...however my drk with apoc will out parse a caladbolg drk any day of the week. I have apoc, caladbolg and redemption and apoc is king by far in terms of damage and utility and its not even close I have the weapons and tested them myself.

[Glacont]

Well a drk is not out parsing a war with ukon, war is king...however my drk with apoc will out parse a caladbolg drk any day of the week. I have apoc, caladbolg and redemption and apoc is king by far in terms of damage and utility and its not even close I have the weapons and tested them myself.

I don't doubt your words, but can you provide numbers as to how each DRK weapon stands up to another? I am curious.

[Atoreis]

Well i dont want be rude with you.

If you dont parse with regularity your events for check your perfomance, you cant know if you are doing well and how well your LS mates is doing.

Probably your Ukovansara war friend is doing x3 more damage than your apoc drk and you ignore it. Probably you are doing x2 damage with your calabolg and you dont know it.

A tip. Play on pc if you can parse your events and after outparsing yourselft with Apoc/ragnarok/Calabolg, claim which one is better.

Or do some maths for compare all the power this weapons with diferent sets of gear and haste %. Doing maths you can compare all scenarios you want.

The Occ deals double damage and WS damage on "a lot" of empyreal weapons is just too powerfull and overpowered for a simple high base damage weapon or a silly hidden effects without real prouds and serious tests can beat it.

Well Cljader1 is very wrong on most of his claims but he might be right about Apoc and Cala. Apoc has much higher acc/att in it's set. 5hit Apoc has also around 25% better WS frequency. They are very close to each other on dmg and only assuming Cala is at acc cap (and it might not be sometimes).

About Ukon vs Cata. Only parsed something like this on qilin. One time when WAR (ukon90) went full out (didnt need to make any stagger with other weapon so only Ukko's furry from start to end) I was at 22% and War at 26.5%. I atm waiting for e body abj so I use full af3+2 for now (tho its possible thats my set is actually better than 5 hit Ebody because of regain and save tp). So yeah Ukon WAR is around 30% better on pure dmg assuming zerg (less if WAR need to play save and will lose aftermath for some time) but nowhere near "x3" dmg.

[CrAZYVIC]

Well a drk is not out parsing a war with ukon, war is king...however my drk with apoc will out parse a caladbolg drk any day of the week. I have apoc, caladbolg and redemption and apoc is king by far in terms of damage and utility and its not even close I have the weapons and tested them myself.

Im glad you tested they already. My suggestion still there try move if you can PC. You cant imagine the fun and exciting is parse your evens vs your friends and this will be a good chance for you test all your weapons in diferent scenarios. This will increase your perfomance a lot.

[CrAZYVIC]

Well Cljader1 is very wrong on most of his claims but he might be right about Apoc and Cala. Apoc has much higher acc/att in it's set. 5hit Apoc has also around 25% better WS frequency. They are very close to each other on dmg and only assuming Cala is at acc cap (and it might not be sometimes).

About Ukon vs Cata. Only parsed something like this on qilin. One time when WAR (ukon90) went full out (didnt need to make any stagger with other weapon so only Ukko's furry from start to end) I was at 22% and War at 26.5%. I atm waiting for e body abj so I use full af3+2 for now (tho its possible thats my set is actually better than 5 hit Ebody because of regain and save tp). So yeah Ukon WAR is around 30% better on pure dmg assuming zerg (less if WAR need to play save and will lose aftermath for some time) but nowhere near "x3" dmg.

I was just giving a example talking x3 damage. I dont wish start a discuss this job vs this job but.

Warior only in abbysea and zerg situations like zerging AV or mobs very strong is unbeateable.

But in Einherjar, VW, Dynamis and limbus Warrior is just a solid DD. Not invencible or imposible outparse. I believe you was near in that parse.

The only oportunity i haved parsing vs a ukovansara war. Was in a random /shout dynamis. We did Dynamis bastok, i was using My Fudo Sam, and i outparsed him for a great margin not was even close.

I dont know if Ukkos fury work like the others Multi hit WS only take the remain HP from a mob, this make him end with 140 - 160% tp often. With Fudo i can still pop a WS at 10% mob hp and put 2700 damage.

Soon my LS will have a Good Ukovansara war i will have the chance see a good warrior in action

[Rie]

I'm not an expert on parsing, but Dynamis is generally not the best place to do so I think? Especially if it was after the update, where most of the time you're trying to proc rather than do max damgage, or before update, where if you were a second or two slow to engage, the mob would be dead by the time you'd drawn your weapon. Either way, I don't think you can get a fair parse in Dynamis... Just my two øre.

[CrAZYVIC]

I'm not an expert on parsing, but Dynamis is generally not the best place to do so I think? Especially if it was after the update, where most of the time you're trying to proc rather than do max damgage, or before update, where if you were a second or two slow to engage, the mob would be dead by the time you'd drawn your weapon. Either way, I don't think you can get a fair parse in Dynamis... Just my two øre.

This was a random group shout was 9 people x2 WHM. SAM, WAR, PLD, DRG, THF, BLM and RDM/BLM. Was a run hunting AC Only, not NMS and not the win, all they wanted was JA procs and WS procs.

I ended with 27 Coins we splited it /9. I dont know if 243 Coins is a decent amount for 9 people.

Actualy dynamis is one of my favorite events for parse. Is a very intense battlefield and fight 2 hours vs massive amount of mobs is fun, another note i warned all this guys about the parse and they acepted glady.

I forget add. I remember at lv 75 when 30 players assist 1 only pld -_- this was super weird and was almost imposible hit the mob. This problem was solved making several /assist persons in the past

LOL the PLD actualy say /assist me but nobody listen him ><. Everyone was attacking the mobs in the order they want, this caused a few deaths, the monks, ninjas and rangers mobs killed a few times the people.

[Rie]

JA procs and WS procs still take away from how you'd play the job if you weren't trying to proc the mobs, at least that's how it is for me. I don't often spam box step and Animated Flourish on THF elsewhere, or Aeolian Edge with Twashtar much outside Dynamis (inb4 AE burns, I use BLU for burns)

[CrAZYVIC]

JA procs and WS procs still take away from how you'd play the job if you weren't trying to proc the mobs, at least that's how it is for me. I don't often spam box step and Animated Flourish on THF elsewhere, or Aeolian Edge with Twashtar much outside Dynamis (inb4 AE burns, I use BLU for burns)

Yeah "We were not trying proc". lol we only was focus in kill like possesed people. Only 1 of our mages was saying Now Is time for JA procs Now is time for WS proc, and we did the classic Voke in the time Ja procs ROFL and when was WS proc well... poor mob was dying in seconds

[Taint2]

afaik sam have never been able to have 2aftermath active at the same time (and i say sam because it's the only job that can use 2aftermath ws without swap)

I have Masa and Yoichi, you are correct. You can only have 1 AM up at a time and Relic AM over writes Emp AM, but Emp AM does not over write Relic AM.