Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Ragni]

Outside abyssea Coronach dmg is same or even better than average Jishu's, that's what i noticed on hight tier VW's.

Also who cares about dmg? If you die after 3 WS's your dps is much lower.

Annihilator is still the best weapon for RNG and nothing will beat it

[Greatguardian]

Also who cares about dmg?

Gee, I wonder what this conversation was about before you threw yourself into it without reading.

[Soidisant]

On Pil, Highest Ukko's (for 4 fights) was 3.9k, highest Catastrophe was 2.1k, highest Torcleaver was 2.9k. Lowest Ukko's was 900, lowest Catastrophe was 300, lowest Torcleaver was 800. Average Ukko's was 1.8k, Catastrophe 1.1k, Torcleaver 1.5k.

Kaiten was averaging 600, Gekko was 900.

WAR: 23% (Ukon)
MNK: 25% (Vere)
DRK: 10% (Apoc)
WAR: 19% (Bravura)
SAM: 9% (Amano)(In his defense he was a Taru having to use Polearm in two of the fights for procs)
DRK: 11% (Cala)

Is that a decently geared Apoc? I only ask because it is nowhere near that lopsided when we do Voidwatch. The end result is the same, just not the margins. Unless buffs are skewing it towards the Empys or something.

For what it's worth I personally think Calad will beat Apoc but only if accuracy is not an issue and you can go all out. If either of them are an issue the I'd favor the Apoc. It is a huge amount of accuracy you give up going from Apoc to Calad, you're potentially talking about a 75+ acc drop.

In raw damage terms though, Apoc isn't even the best Relic DRK can use, nevermind the best overall weapon. Sure Cata is a better WS than Scourge but do the gear swaps allow you to make up for the huge crit advantage Ragna has over Apoc? I highly doubt it. Apoc basically needs to be in a scenario where Catastrophe drain is the difference between living and dying for it to be better than Ragnarok.

And Liberator should beat Apoc in raw damage too.

So it's a weird one. In raw damage terms Apoc is probably only the 4th best weapon for DRK. Yet on the flipside it adds more utility to the job than the others and doesn't give up anywhere near as much as the others when you have to play defensively (can be 6 hit with 47% PDT, capped MDT and capped haste). And of course it's rare that you're in the perfect DD'ing scenario which generally favors Apoc too. So despite not being the strongest in terms of raw damage, it's debateably still the best Emp/Relic/Mythic choice for DRK if you could only pick one.

Most importantly though, none of the 5 make DRK a desirable DD choice compared to Ukon/Vere/etc.

[Atomic_Skull]

That's not a quote from me sir, I already have apoc...why did you even post that!

Why do you want Ragnarok if you already have Apocalypse? What are you going to dual wield them?

[Atomic_Skull]

Annihilator is only better than Armageddon for Ranger, which has two relics and two Empyreans - Gandiva is vastly superior to both if we left that open.

An Annihilator RNG will always outparse a Gandiva RNG because they can spam at will and never pull hate while a Gandiva RNG has to either hold back damage or get faceraped. A dead RNG deals no damage so Annihilator wins the parse.

It's not the weapon's fault that the wielder gets raped. Annihilator simply has utility alongside its damage. That doesn't make it more powerful. It's just more useful, in that particular case. In terms of damage output, Gandiva destroys Annihilator.

Which is completely irrelevant because you can never fully utilize that potential. It does not matter if Gandiva can in theory deal higher damage than Annihilator if you can never actually use that potential. Gandiva's DPS is effectively lower than Annihilator in actual use. You're just arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[Cljader1]

Why do you want Ragnarok if you already have Apocalypse? What are you going to dual wield them?

Three jobs can use the ragnarok, plus I'm interested in how much of an increase there is with "Increase Critical Hits IV"

[Xellith]

Three jobs can use the ragnarok, plus I'm interested in how much of an increase there is with "Increase Critical Hits IV"

test server go

[Cljader1]

test server go

I play on ps2, I have no test server access

[Leonlionheart]

I play on ps2, ...

I've found your problem

[Vizardx]

It should be said, while not the best weapon by far.
Guttler blows Farsha slam out of the water :P