Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[uptempo]

Can't be arsed to get into all this but he's right about one thing apoc is drks best weapon. The highest dps weapon for drk is more than likely liberator.

None of it matters anyway 99 is were the real test will come in for all weapons.

[Greatguardian]

Apoc is awesome. Apoc is not the majority of Relics. It's the outlier.

[Cljader1]

What about Amanomurakumo, Aegis, Annihilator, Mandau, Ragnarok??

[Greatguardian]

Aegis is hardly "better" than Ochain. It's far more situational, and the ideal is to have both anyways - with Ochain being much better if you only had one.

Amano and Mandau are also iffy/situational, neither clearly dominating their Empyrean counterpart like so many Empyreans do their Relic equivalents. Annihilator is only better than Armageddon for Ranger, which has two relics and two Empyreans - Gandiva is vastly superior to both if we left that open.

Again, you said "Most", not "A couple".

[Cljader1]

Annihilator is only better than Armageddon for Ranger, which has two relics and two Empyreans - Gandiva is vastly superior to both if we left that open.

/sigh.....

[Atomic_Skull]

Annihilator is only better than Armageddon for Ranger, which has two relics and two Empyreans - Gandiva is vastly superior to both if we left that open.

An Annihilator RNG will always outparse a Gandiva RNG because they can spam at will and never pull hate while a Gandiva RNG has to either hold back damage or get faceraped. A dead RNG deals no damage so Annihilator wins the parse.

It's not the weapon's fault that the wielder gets raped. Annihilator simply has utility alongside its damage. That doesn't make it more powerful. It's just more useful, in that particular case. In terms of damage output, Gandiva destroys Annihilator.

Which is completely irrelevant because you can never fully utilize that potential. It does not matter if Gandiva can in theory deal higher damage than Annihilator if you can never actually use that potential. Gandiva's DPS is effectively lower than Annihilator in actual use. You're just arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[hiko]

An Annihilator RNG will always outparse a Gandiva RNG because they can spam at will and never pull hate while a Gandiva RNG has to either hold back damage or get faceraped. A dead RNG deals no damage so Annihilator wins the parse.



Which is completely irrelevant because you can never fully utilize that potential. It does not matter if Gandiva can in theory deal higher damage than Annihilator if you can never actually use that potential. Gandiva's DPS is effectively lower than Annihilator in actual use. You're just arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

because FF is only about big monster and never about killing a lot of lesser monster (einehjar2?, nyzul2 kill all floor? limbus2?) where you wont get hate, you will just kill monster faster.

ang GG already said that anhi has utility

[Atomic_Skull]

because FF is only about big monster and never about killing a lot of lesser monster (einehjar2?, nyzul2 kill all floor? limbus2?) where you wont get hate, you will just kill monster faster.

RNG is completely useless and a waste of a party slot in those scenarios anyway. And you will still piss off everyone when you pull a monster away when you occasionally (every 5-6 mobs) manage to get a Jishnu's off.

[Leonlionheart]

RNG is completely useless and a waste of a party slot in those scenarios anyway. And you will still piss off everyone when you pull a monster away when you occasionally (every 5-6 mobs) manage to get a Jishnu's off.

Kclub+Jishnu's spam or ->

there i fixed your pulling away from the party problem

[Ragni]

Annihilator is better than Armageddon and Gandiva period (RNG). We are not talking about abyssea, because you dont need rng inside abyssea.
I can take out 50% Kaggen's HP without taking hate and that's in 15 mins of fight (that's just small example) . Also Gandvia RNG getting raped after 2-3 Jishnu's.