Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Monchat]

I hope your joking.

Ukon literally destroys every single relic by large amounts and is only beaten (probably) by a Ryunohige using perfect aftermath keep up (Bravura only stands a chance during Mighty Strikes, and that's only, what, 1/240'th of the time without ISL/COR 2h). A good Caladbolg beats out Apocalypse in DPS. Almace rapes the life out of Excalibur. Kannagi is so vastly superior to kikoku comparison is silly. Ochain>Aegis, Gandiva>Yoichi, Masa>Amano, Verethragna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spharai, Daurdabla>Gjallarhorn(both or ->), Armageddon>Annihilator(though probably not as useful), Hvergelmir(lol)>Claustrum(lololololololololol).

for kanagi/kikoku, mandau/twasthar etc there isnt eactly a competition. Having both doesnt hurt, and one actually should want to have both, at least for dagger. Same for daurdabla versus G horn. At 95 the best is to sing Ghorn>Ghorn>Daur initially, then resing all 3 with Ghorn before they wear off, until the fight is over. At 95 it will be totally awsome to have both: 2 ballads 2 marches with +4 instruments to mages, 2 marches with capped haste+2 minuet with +4 instrumnent for melees.

Your comparison only really makes sense to 1 hander and H2H. For H2H the difference between relic and spharai is not enormous ( 10%).

Once you can spike over 4.8k (highest Ukko's Fury I've seen on Kaggen) or 5.2k (highest Victory Smite I've seen on Kaggen), come back and talk to me.

Highest damage doesnt mean much, its the averag that counts.

[Leonlionheart]

On Pil, Highest Ukko's (for 4 fights) was 3.9k, highest Catastrophe was 2.1k, highest Torcleaver was 2.9k. Lowest Ukko's was 900, lowest Catastrophe was 300, lowest Torcleaver was 800. Average Ukko's was 1.8k, Catastrophe 1.1k, Torcleaver 1.5k.

Kaiten was averaging 600, Gekko was 900.

WAR: 23% (Ukon)
MNK: 25% (Vere)
DRK: 10% (Apoc)
WAR: 19% (Bravura)
SAM: 9% (Amano)(In his defense he was a Taru having to use Polearm in two of the fights for procs)
DRK: 11% (Cala)

Over the course of 4 fights on Pil. Why there were 2 DRKs, I do not know. Although again, these parses are subject to human error and there's no real way to prove "this is better than that" without a mathematician here and I don't know how to do such maths. However in practice, from every single relic I've seen, they are simply not as good. (Vere MNKs are beastly)

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Im sick of testing stuff for people, just do your own test and you'll see which is better assuming you have a bravura, if not then you cant test it at all. I have both the relics and emps, and so do my friends on bismark and it most cases relics win out. To tell you the truth, after I got my first relic I wasn't even interested in emps anymore. Plus how can you say 80% of relics are useless? you cant test them so how would you even know?

POIDH you don't have anything according to ffxiah.com, sorry broseph.

I've parsed against a Bravura many a time(90Ukon vs. 95 Bravura). As it is closer to Ukon than it was at 90, it's still not as good (only gains ground when people aren't proccing and Ukon has to use PDT heavy sets reducing DPS more than a Bravura would, because of Aftermath) in the long run.

[Cljader1]

On Pil, Highest Ukko's (for 4 fights) was 3.9k, highest Catastrophe was 2.1k, highest Torcleaver was 2.9k. Lowest Ukko's was 900, lowest Catastrophe was 300, lowest Torcleaver was 800. Average Ukko's was 1.8k, Catastrophe 1.1k, Torcleaver 1.5k.

Kaiten was averaging 600, Gekko was 900.


WAR: 23% (Ukon)
MNK: 25% (Vere)
DRK: 10% (Apoc)
WAR: 19% (Bravura)
SAM: 9% (Amano)(In his defense he was a Taru having to use Polearm in two of the fights for procs)
DRK: 11% (Cala)

Over the course of 4 fights on Pil. Why there were 2 DRKs, I do not know. Although again, these parses are subject to human error and there's no real way to prove "this is better than that" without a mathematician here and I don't know how to do such maths. However in practice, from every single relic I've seen, they are simply not as good. (Vere MNKs are beastly)

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POIDH you don't have anything according to ffxiah.com, sorry broseph.

I've parsed against a Bravura many a time(90Ukon vs. 95 Bravura). As it is closer to Ukon than it was at 90, it's still not as good (only gains ground when people aren't proccing and Ukon has to use PDT heavy sets reducing DPS more than a Bravura would, because of Aftermath) in the long run.

I dont have to put my stuff my on ffxiah just for you and I have one of the most richest most well geared character on bismark, if I did put my stuff on ffxiah it would shut you up

[Monchat]

I dont have to put my stuff my on ffxiah just for you and I have one of the most richest most well geared character on bismark, if I did put my stuff on ffxiah it would shut you up

The richest, but not the most clever, I see. If you are so rich make the best weapon for the best DD (95 ukon or verethragna), not some inferior weapon for a sub par DD ( ragnarok on drk).

[Leonlionheart]

The richest, but not the most clever, I see. If you are so rich make the best weapon for the best DD (95 ukon or verethragna), not some inferior weapon for a sub par DD ( ragnarok on drk).

Tell it like it is

[Cljader1]

The richest, but not the most clever, I see. If you are so rich make the best weapon for the best DD (95 ukon or verethragna), not some inferior weapon for a sub par DD ( ragnarok on drk).

That doesn't make sense I don't play war or mnk I play drk and I already have apoc, what are you trying to say? Why would a make a relic for a job I don't play? Are you even following the discussion? The argument is relics vs emps

[Cljader1]

But you are right about one thing drk is a sub par dd, and war is the best dd, however drk's relics are much much better than its emps

[Greatguardian]

This is the college professor who didn't understand that Souleater acted as a damage multiplier for Blood Weapon, guys.

Come to terms with the fact that he probably doesn't even have a single Emp and proceed to ignore him. He's already posted some amazingly obvious trollbait, eg "If you don't have a Bravura, then you can't test to see if it's better than a Ukonvasara".

Seriously. Guy's a moron. It's probably another one of Urteil's troll-mules, like Hordecore.

[Selzak]

Just spotted Colliex. Gimp NIN sub and wearing full Empyrean gear.

Also, he is wearing an Apoc (somehow), so I guess that's why it's the best weapon.

[uptempo]

Can't be arsed to get into all this but he's right about one thing apoc is drks best weapon. The highest dps weapon for drk is more than likely liberator.

None of it matters anyway 99 is were the real test will come in for all weapons.