Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Monchat]

I dont have to put my stuff my on ffxiah just for you and I have one of the most richest most well geared character on bismark, if I did put my stuff on ffxiah it would shut you up

The richest, but not the most clever, I see. If you are so rich make the best weapon for the best DD (95 ukon or verethragna), not some inferior weapon for a sub par DD ( ragnarok on drk).

[Leonlionheart]

The richest, but not the most clever, I see. If you are so rich make the best weapon for the best DD (95 ukon or verethragna), not some inferior weapon for a sub par DD ( ragnarok on drk).

Tell it like it is

[Cljader1]

The richest, but not the most clever, I see. If you are so rich make the best weapon for the best DD (95 ukon or verethragna), not some inferior weapon for a sub par DD ( ragnarok on drk).

That doesn't make sense I don't play war or mnk I play drk and I already have apoc, what are you trying to say? Why would a make a relic for a job I don't play? Are you even following the discussion? The argument is relics vs emps

[Soidisant]

On Pil, Highest Ukko's (for 4 fights) was 3.9k, highest Catastrophe was 2.1k, highest Torcleaver was 2.9k. Lowest Ukko's was 900, lowest Catastrophe was 300, lowest Torcleaver was 800. Average Ukko's was 1.8k, Catastrophe 1.1k, Torcleaver 1.5k.

Kaiten was averaging 600, Gekko was 900.

WAR: 23% (Ukon)
MNK: 25% (Vere)
DRK: 10% (Apoc)
WAR: 19% (Bravura)
SAM: 9% (Amano)(In his defense he was a Taru having to use Polearm in two of the fights for procs)
DRK: 11% (Cala)

Is that a decently geared Apoc? I only ask because it is nowhere near that lopsided when we do Voidwatch. The end result is the same, just not the margins. Unless buffs are skewing it towards the Empys or something.

For what it's worth I personally think Calad will beat Apoc but only if accuracy is not an issue and you can go all out. If either of them are an issue the I'd favor the Apoc. It is a huge amount of accuracy you give up going from Apoc to Calad, you're potentially talking about a 75+ acc drop.

In raw damage terms though, Apoc isn't even the best Relic DRK can use, nevermind the best overall weapon. Sure Cata is a better WS than Scourge but do the gear swaps allow you to make up for the huge crit advantage Ragna has over Apoc? I highly doubt it. Apoc basically needs to be in a scenario where Catastrophe drain is the difference between living and dying for it to be better than Ragnarok.

And Liberator should beat Apoc in raw damage too.

So it's a weird one. In raw damage terms Apoc is probably only the 4th best weapon for DRK. Yet on the flipside it adds more utility to the job than the others and doesn't give up anywhere near as much as the others when you have to play defensively (can be 6 hit with 47% PDT, capped MDT and capped haste). And of course it's rare that you're in the perfect DD'ing scenario which generally favors Apoc too. So despite not being the strongest in terms of raw damage, it's debateably still the best Emp/Relic/Mythic choice for DRK if you could only pick one.

Most importantly though, none of the 5 make DRK a desirable DD choice compared to Ukon/Vere/etc.

[Brolic]

On Pil, Highest Ukko's (for 4 fights) was 3.9k, highest Catastrophe was 2.1k, highest Torcleaver was 2.9k. Lowest Ukko's was 900, lowest Catastrophe was 300, lowest Torcleaver was 800. Average Ukko's was 1.8k, Catastrophe 1.1k, Torcleaver 1.5k.

Kaiten was averaging 600, Gekko was 900.

WAR: 23% (Ukon)
MNK: 25% (Vere)
DRK: 10% (Apoc)
WAR: 19% (Bravura)
SAM: 9% (Amano)(In his defense he was a Taru having to use Polearm in two of the fights for procs)
DRK: 11% (Cala)

Over the course of 4 fights on Pil. Why there were 2 DRKs, I do not know. Although again, these parses are subject to human error and there's no real way to prove "this is better than that" without a mathematician here and I don't know how to do such maths. However in practice, from every single relic I've seen, they are simply not as good. (Vere MNKs are beastly)

Edit:

POIDH you don't have anything according to ffxiah.com, sorry broseph.

I've parsed against a Bravura many a time(90Ukon vs. 95 Bravura). As it is closer to Ukon than it was at 90, it's still not as good (only gains ground when people aren't proccing and Ukon has to use PDT heavy sets reducing DPS more than a Bravura would, because of Aftermath) in the long run.

did you parse damage taken, i'm curious to see how the Bravura war stacks up against the Ukkon.

[Cljader1]

But you are right about one thing drk is a sub par dd, and war is the best dd, however drk's relics are much much better than its emps

[Greatguardian]

This is the college professor who didn't understand that Souleater acted as a damage multiplier for Blood Weapon, guys.

Come to terms with the fact that he probably doesn't even have a single Emp and proceed to ignore him. He's already posted some amazingly obvious trollbait, eg "If you don't have a Bravura, then you can't test to see if it's better than a Ukonvasara".

Seriously. Guy's a moron. It's probably another one of Urteil's troll-mules, like Hordecore.

[Selzak]

Just spotted Colliex. Gimp NIN sub and wearing full Empyrean gear.

Also, he is wearing an Apoc (somehow), so I guess that's why it's the best weapon.

[Cljader1]

Just spotted Colliex. Gimp NIN sub and wearing full Empyrean gear.

Also, he is wearing an Apoc (somehow), so I guess that's why it's the best weapon.

I see you examined me, I'm wearing apoc for one reason I had it on because its drk's best weapon. I have Caladbolg and redemption too but they have no comparison to apoc. You have a 95 lvl drk if you cant see that apoc is drk's best weapon you should probably stop talking

[Cljader1]

This is the college professor who didn't understand that Souleater acted as a damage multiplier for Blood Weapon, guys.

Come to terms with the fact that he probably doesn't even have a single Emp and proceed to ignore him. He's already posted some amazingly obvious trollbait, eg "If you don't have a Bravura, then you can't test to see if it's better than a Ukonvasara".

Seriously. Guy's a moron. It's probably another one of Urteil's troll-mules, like Hordecore.

Ha this guy's funny, unlike you I know what I'm talking about and I see the difference between emps and relics...I see you just like to follow me around like a troll...as I said before I have a bunch on emps maybe I'll post my stuff on ffxiah to shut you up but I bet you'll still try to find something to troll about.

I'm getting tired of people saying that emps are better than relics, because in alot cases its not true...It's mainly the people who dont have a relic that are saying this.