Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Atomic_Skull]

Overall -MDT is ~87.5% Can't go past that even with aegis.

Cap on magic damage received reduction is 50%. However Aegis is a special exception which exceeds the cap.

[Atomic_Skull]

Gandiva>Yoichi

Gandiva will get you killed and piss off the rest of your party when you keep pulling the mob away. Yoichi is good not because of damage but because it allows a RNG to actually function.

[Leonlionheart]

Gandiva will get you killed and piss off the rest of your party when you keep pulling the mob away. Yoichi is good not because of damage but because it allows a RNG to actually function.

I'm talking about DPS. Relics are generally better in utility (though if you don't suck you often don't need the utility).

I think Annihilator is probably the best weapon for RNG.

[Dragonlord]

Cap on magic damage received reduction is 50%. However Aegis is a special exception which exceeds the cap.

Actually, -87.5% is the absolute cap a player can have for MDT. -MDT from everything except aegis(gear, atma, shell) is capped at -50%. Aegis, as part of its design, does not count towards this -MDT cap, but as a special source. However, the cap a player can reduce from every source is ~87.5%. So even -50 from gear/shell and -45% from aegis still only works to -87.5%

[Glacont]

As much as I like the Emp sheild, I still feel Aegis has it's place. If I had to choose beween the two lifes-savers it would be relic, in this case.

[Cljader1]

I hope your joking.

Ukon literally destroys every single relic by large amounts and is only beaten (probably) by a Ryunohige using perfect aftermath keep up (Bravura only stands a chance during Mighty Strikes, and that's only, what, 1/240'th of the time without ISL/COR 2h). A good Caladbolg beats out Apocalypse in DPS. Almace rapes the life out of Excalibur. Kannagi is so vastly superior to kikoku comparison is silly. Ochain>Aegis, Gandiva>Yoichi, Masa>Amano, Verethragna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spharai, Daurdabla>Gjallarhorn(both or ->), Armageddon>Annihilator(though probably not as useful), Hvergelmir(lol)>Claustrum(lololololololololol).

Once you can spike over 4.8k (highest Ukko's Fury I've seen on Kaggen) or 5.2k (highest Victory Smite I've seen on Kaggen), come back and talk to me.

95 apoc blows caladbolg out the water, caladbolg is trash compared to a apoc or a ragnarok. I'm working on completing my ragnarok right now. Most relics I seen easily beat emps, aegis is better than ochain...I use to listen to these arguments until I started collecting relics myself, I have bunch of emps and working on my 3rd relic. Outside a few emps, relics simply owns emps especially outside abyssea.

[Leonlionheart]

Caladbolg is trash? Suck less.

This is stupid, you're not going to give me any substantial proof to prove your argument. Just saying the same thing over and over again.

Relics are 80% a waste of time.

[Cljader1]

Im sick of testing stuff for people, just do your own test and you'll see which is better assuming you have a bravura, if not then you cant test it at all. I have both the relics and emps, and so do my friends on bismark and it most cases relics win out. To tell you the truth, after I got my first relic I wasn't even interested in emps anymore. Plus how can you say 80% of relics are useless? you cant test them so how would you even know?

[Atomic_Skull]

upgrading Ragnarok instead of Apocalypse

[Cljader1]

That's not a quote from me sir, I already have apoc...why did you even post that!