Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Monchat]

well if the 4 song on daurdabla is true then wow.. but if the +4 song is true on Ghorn then huh... underwhelming? except for ballad.

[Greatguardian]

The only correct answer has always been Harp+Bard for 3 songs at +3 anyways. Level 99 just means it will be 4 songs at +4.

[Babygyrl]

Seriously 1000 of something else relic users have to collect?! that's so unfair.. we have done enough collecting already!! Dynamis is gonna be come swamped in COP zones.. its going to SUCK.. There is going to be a over crowding issue just like with Aby if this turns out to be the case..a few hundred would have be more reasonable! I would rather do 10k Ws's then collect more crap..

[uptempo]

I'm not going to moan about relics getting to collect 1000 of whatever it is as long as the final relic boost is worth it.

@ Leon - I wouldn't be surprised if some empys are king at 99 and some relics are king aswell, as for right now they are simlar to upgrade to 95, but just wait until the next update to see what these final trials are and to see if they add more ways to obtain plates etc.

[Cljader1]

Relics are better than emps, and some relics are better by FAR! Take Apoc for example have Hidden damage effects (20% double damage), additional effects (blindness), ws special effect (Super Drain), aftermath (Haste) and superior base damage (base damage 154) and most relic have these multiple utilities. Compared to emps which is secondary base damage, ws, aftermath (30% double damage). I have a bunch of emps and they cant compare to relics

[Leonlionheart]

Relics are better than emps, and some relics are better by FAR! Take Apoc for example have Hidden damage effects (20% double damage), additional effects (blindness), ws special effect (Super Drain), aftermath (Haste) and superior base damage (base damage 154) and most relic have these multiple utilities. Compared to emps which is secondary base damage, ws, aftermath (30% double damage). I have a bunch of emps and they cant compare to relics

I hope your joking.

Ukon literally destroys every single relic by large amounts and is only beaten (probably) by a Ryunohige using perfect aftermath keep up (Bravura only stands a chance during Mighty Strikes, and that's only, what, 1/240'th of the time without ISL/COR 2h). A good Caladbolg beats out Apocalypse in DPS. Almace rapes the life out of Excalibur. Kannagi is so vastly superior to kikoku comparison is silly. Ochain>Aegis, Gandiva>Yoichi, Masa>Amano, Verethragna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spharai, Daurdabla>Gjallarhorn(both or ->), Armageddon>Annihilator(though probably not as useful), Hvergelmir(lol)>Claustrum(lololololololololol).

Once you can spike over 4.8k (highest Ukko's Fury I've seen on Kaggen) or 5.2k (highest Victory Smite I've seen on Kaggen), come back and talk to me.

[Atomic_Skull]

Gandiva>Yoichi

Gandiva will get you killed and piss off the rest of your party when you keep pulling the mob away. Yoichi is good not because of damage but because it allows a RNG to actually function.

[Leonlionheart]

Gandiva will get you killed and piss off the rest of your party when you keep pulling the mob away. Yoichi is good not because of damage but because it allows a RNG to actually function.

I'm talking about DPS. Relics are generally better in utility (though if you don't suck you often don't need the utility).

I think Annihilator is probably the best weapon for RNG.

[Cljader1]

I hope your joking.

Ukon literally destroys every single relic by large amounts and is only beaten (probably) by a Ryunohige using perfect aftermath keep up (Bravura only stands a chance during Mighty Strikes, and that's only, what, 1/240'th of the time without ISL/COR 2h). A good Caladbolg beats out Apocalypse in DPS. Almace rapes the life out of Excalibur. Kannagi is so vastly superior to kikoku comparison is silly. Ochain>Aegis, Gandiva>Yoichi, Masa>Amano, Verethragna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spharai, Daurdabla>Gjallarhorn(both or ->), Armageddon>Annihilator(though probably not as useful), Hvergelmir(lol)>Claustrum(lololololololololol).

Once you can spike over 4.8k (highest Ukko's Fury I've seen on Kaggen) or 5.2k (highest Victory Smite I've seen on Kaggen), come back and talk to me.

95 apoc blows caladbolg out the water, caladbolg is trash compared to a apoc or a ragnarok. I'm working on completing my ragnarok right now. Most relics I seen easily beat emps, aegis is better than ochain...I use to listen to these arguments until I started collecting relics myself, I have bunch of emps and working on my 3rd relic. Outside a few emps, relics simply owns emps especially outside abyssea.

[Atomic_Skull]

upgrading Ragnarok instead of Apocalypse