Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Zumi]

SE put in trails for both Ochain and Aegis, Ochain takes 500 of some item for a 99 Ochain, while Aegis takes 1000 of a item.

Assuming the trials will be similar for weapons, so yea looks like we are going to have to collect 1000 of something for a level 99 relic. Sounds like another long grind to me. Relics have had a pretty long initial grind with the currency now we have to grind 1000 items I am guessing probably from voidwatch where else would they put this stuff.

[Leonlionheart]

SE put in trails for both Ochain and Aegis, Ochain takes 500 of some item for a 99 Ochain, while Aegis takes 1000 of a items.

Assuming the trials will be similar for weapons, so yea looks like we are going to have to collect 1000 of something for a level 99 relic. Sounds like another long grind to me. Relics have had a pretty long initial grind with the currency now we have to grind 1000 items I am guessing probably from voidwatch where else would they put this stuff.

Incredibly doubtful that they will be from VW considering that doesn't follow the pattern of relic trials in any way. At the moment it's harder to make a 95 emp than a 95 relic, so unless the 99 version of relic gets a huge power boost, looks like emps will be king forever.

[Helel]

Incredibly doubtful that they will be from VW considering that doesn't follow the pattern of relic trials in any way. At the moment it's harder to make a 95 emp than a 95 relic, so unless the 99 version of relic gets a huge power boost, looks like emps will be king forever.

Are you joking? What part of the fact that empyreans are harder to make than relics suggests that they are better than relics? That makes absolutely no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that most relics are now superior to empyreans, and some (bow, gun) were always better than empyreans.

[Greatguardian]

Are you joking? What part of the fact that empyreans are harder to make than relics suggests that they are better than relics? That makes absolutely no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that most relics are now superior to empyreans, and some (bow, gun) were always better than empyreans.

lol wat.

Which Relics are those?

If you said Mythics, I'd totally see where you were coming from. Relics? huh. There are some boss ones, but suggesting that "most" relics are better is fairly silly.

[Leonlionheart]

Are you joking? What part of the fact that empyreans are harder to make than relics suggests that they are better than relics? That makes absolutely no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that most relics are now superior to empyreans, and some (bow, gun) were always better than empyreans.

Work = Reward aspect that I believe SE is trying to pursue.

Also, I can count maybe 6 relics that have a chance at beating their empyrean counterparts in a damage aspect. Club, Scythe, Polearm, Dagger(nonstacked), GS(Prime conditions only), and possibly GK(Probably not, but people like to think it's better than Masa.) Even then the difference is slight (other than club and scythe).

Who knows how powerful the 99 Emps or Relics will be? However as of now I'm certain that, at the very least, Kannagi, Almace, Gandiva, Armageddon, Ukonvasara, and Verethragna will still dominate in terms of DPS (only exceptions being, MAYBE, certain Mythics [mainly looking at Conqueror]). Oh, and Ochain is better than Aegis in nearly every way (honestly in mdt+mdb set you shouldn't be taking nearly enough damage to warrant the use of Aegis since WAR and MNK can both survive pretty much every thing there is right now).

[Cljader1]

Oh, and Ochain is better than Aegis in nearly every way (honestly in mdt+mdb set you shouldn't be taking nearly enough damage to warrant the use of Aegis since WAR and MNK can both survive pretty much every thing there is right now).

Aegis 95 is better than Ochain, you do know with aegis a pld can reach -95% magic damage reduction and aegis has a 60% hidden effect block rate against physical attacks not to mention 240 extra damage added to each shield bash. Ochain can block up too 100% of physical attacks but offer no protection against magical attacks. Aegis is superior

[Dragonlord]

Aegis 95 is better than Ochain, you do know with aegis a pld can reach -95% magic damage reduction and aegis has a 60% hidden effect block rate against physical attacks not to mention 240 extra damage added to each shield bash. Ochain can block up too 100% of physical attacks but offer no protection against magical attacks. Aegis is superior

Overall -MDT is ~87.5% Can't go past that even with aegis.

[Seriha]

SE mentioned something about items that could only drop in CoP Dynamis zones with your subjobs locked. I'd consider that a good place to plop Relic trades. Question is, will it be like someone gets 0-5 per run, or maybe as much as 50?

The daily limit on Dynamis is looking more and more unfriendly if they're going to keep slipping requirements into it, though.

[Taint2]

Its going to be a duanting task for both weapons Im sure, probably VW for emps and Dynamis for relics.

Emps and Relics cost about the same but plates are drying up fast on Cerberus. Currency seems pretty stable with all the lowman farming that's going on.

[Atomic_Skull]

I was expecting this and to be honest I don't mind.