Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Unctgtg]

It is all just a time sink until ffxiv version 2 comes out next year

[Atomic_Skull]

On my server you're lucky to find pug shouts for Voidwatch outside the weekends because its not worth the time invested by any stretch of the imagination.

Why would you do VW with a pickup?

[Sparthos]

Why would you do VW with a pickup?

Why wouldn't you? Who has 18 people just idly sitting in LS these days?

It's pretty obvious VW is supposed to be done in PUGs for the normal player.

[Cljader1]

Why wouldn't you? Who has 18 people just idly sitting in LS these days?

It's pretty obvious VW is supposed to be done in PUGs for the normal player.

I'm in 2 voidwatch linkshells, surely you can find one

[Insaniac]

Why join a VW linkshell when PUG VW groups usually go fine on our server? A VW only shell is even more pointless than an all encompassing endgame shell. Afaik there aren't any VW shells on our server anyway.

[Greatguardian]

I lead a VW-only shell on the weekends. It's handy. Saves time since we don't have to look for people, or sift through pickup garbage. We enjoy the event, too. It's a lot of fun dicking around on vent while doing it.

[Raksha]

Why wouldn't you? Who has 18 people just idly sitting in LS these days?

*cough*Anduril*cough*

You should join us.

Though, we don't generally do a lot of plate mobs.

Why join a VW linkshell when PUG VW groups usually go fine on our server? A VW only shell is even more pointless than an all encompassing endgame shell. Afaik there aren't any VW shells on our server anyway.

Haters be hatin'.

[Insaniac]

Haters be hatin'.

Who am I hating on? =P Anduril isn't VW only. I'm in Emi and we run VW nights but I'm fully aware that I would probably get more done without being tied down to events that cater to the needs of the many and not the needs of the few (me). But I stick around because I enjoy the company and there's people in the shell that I enjoy helping. That's really the only function of an "endgame shell" anymore imo. You get stuff done together. It's slower but maybe you have more fun. The people who are really really concerned with finishing things at epeen speeds roll in groups of 3-4 characters played by 1-2 people.

[Raksha]

Who am I hating on? =P Anduril isn't VW only. I'm in Emi and we run VW nights but I'm fully aware that I would probably get more done without being tied down to events that cater to the needs of the many and not the needs of the few (me). But I stick around because I enjoy the company and there's people in the shell that I enjoy helping. That's really the only function of an "endgame shell" anymore imo. You get stuff done together. It's slower but maybe you have more fun. The people who are really really concerned with finishing things at epeen speeds roll in groups of 3-4 characters played by 1-2 people.

Sure, for now anyway.

IIRC you guys were one of, if not THE first NA ls on our server to kill AV. You do that with two people dual boxing?

[Insaniac]

No but that guy that DBs JoL pop sets and does shout groups has killed about 10x as many AVs in the past 6 months as we have and has absolutely banked and paid for multiple relics for himself. That wouldn't have been possible at level 80 when we first killed it but I'm talking about now. Practically everything an LS can do for a person they can do for themselves or with a very small group of friends a lot faster these days. If I only want a select few pieces from VW which is the case for most people then it makes much more sense for me to just build shout groups so I can do the NMs I care about over and over and then move on instantly when I get the drop I want instead of cycling mobs that drop nothing I want for the sake of other people in an LS.

I'm not anti-LS at all. I've been in one endgame shell or another since 2004ish and I have always enjoyed my time with them more than lone wolfing. Really what I said was in response to what's his face acting like doing PUG VW was stupid when it makes more sense as long as you're winning. That's just the way SE has been building the game for the past year or so. I think they actually expected 14 to destroy all the big LSs so they started making content that was friendly to low man and PUGs. It became a self fulfilling prophecy.