Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

[Ophannus]

Nobody said you HAD to upgrade your relic/mythic/empyreans. Those weapons are the strongest weapons in the game at the level 85 version. 90-99 versions are icing on the cake and should be hard as hell to improve. 85 emps/mythics are better than any HNM/VNM/Crafted weapon you can get, improving them past that ought to be hard since theyre ALREADY the best.

[Unctgtg]

It is all just a time sink until ffxiv version 2 comes out next year

[Insaniac]

Why join a VW linkshell when PUG VW groups usually go fine on our server? A VW only shell is even more pointless than an all encompassing endgame shell. Afaik there aren't any VW shells on our server anyway.

[Greatguardian]

I lead a VW-only shell on the weekends. It's handy. Saves time since we don't have to look for people, or sift through pickup garbage. We enjoy the event, too. It's a lot of fun dicking around on vent while doing it.

[Insaniac]

No but that guy that DBs JoL pop sets and does shout groups has killed about 10x as many AVs in the past 6 months as we have and has absolutely banked and paid for multiple relics for himself. That wouldn't have been possible at level 80 when we first killed it but I'm talking about now. Practically everything an LS can do for a person they can do for themselves or with a very small group of friends a lot faster these days. If I only want a select few pieces from VW which is the case for most people then it makes much more sense for me to just build shout groups so I can do the NMs I care about over and over and then move on instantly when I get the drop I want instead of cycling mobs that drop nothing I want for the sake of other people in an LS.

I'm not anti-LS at all. I've been in one endgame shell or another since 2004ish and I have always enjoyed my time with them more than lone wolfing. Really what I said was in response to what's his face acting like doing PUG VW was stupid when it makes more sense as long as you're winning. That's just the way SE has been building the game for the past year or so. I think they actually expected 14 to destroy all the big LSs so they started making content that was friendly to low man and PUGs. It became a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Insaniac]

I said there is no VW specific shell that I know of. My LS does VW 2 nights a week. English doesn't seem like your first language so maybe you just didn't understand that. The rest of the days we do things that make a little more sense for an LS to do. I really don't know why this argument is happening. If you want to do a ton of VW on my server there is no 7 day a week VW shell that I know of at least. So on my server if you wanna focus on specific VW gear you have to do PUGs groups. Even if there was a 7 day a week VW group on my server and I wanted to do VW 7 days a week I would still do PUGs because I could focus on only the mobs I want instead of getting people clears and doing mobs that don't drop anything I want. If someone does have a shell that does VW occasionally what is the harm in joining a PUG that is doing the mob you want when you have nothing better to do? What are we arguing about?

[hiko]

we are arguing about you saying pug is the best way to do VW while you do it with your shells! and totally don't care that your LS also do other things :when you do other things you dont do pug VW!

I never said pug was bad nor that VW LS was better but both have reason to exist.LS being VWonly or VW+other stuff dont really matter
I prefer LS because i dont play a lot and barely only log when i have a scheduled event

[Insaniac]

You still don't really understand what I said but you clearly aren't a native English speaker so I will just leave it be.

[Sparthos]

I don't see what's hard to understand in the first place.

As an event, it is almost always better to do Voidwatch in PUGs if you're concerned about getting drops anytime soon. With how low the drop rate is and LS event days being typically 3-4x a week, the event is designed for constant repetition and that is what you're able to pull off by shouting runs and grinding through kills one right after the other.

Of course linkshells contain friends but the more people you have wanting different drops, the more likely you are to divide the time amongst different NMs and never actually get what you want in the first place. You can do Qilin everyday or wait till event days but more than likely the person spamming Qilin everyday is going to wind up getting the HQ2 drop before the individual that waits for event days.

Such is SEs new system of handling drops where linkshells aren't as "ideal" as pug groups doing content in small parties. That doesn't change my liking of linkshells but the facts are the facts.