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  1. #111
    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    Newsflash. The hint tells you what jug to use.
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  2. #112
    Player Aldersyde's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafein View Post
    Newsflash. The hint tells you what jug to use.
    Hoorah! That totally fixes the other issues with the ready recast, heavy AoE, AND jugs vanishing upon the spawning of a VW.

    Why couldn't I see it before?
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  3. #113
    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Alvian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    if beastmasters were able to constantly change pets, it would make it possible for them to do everything.
    A method used by SMN...... right!!!

    It's cool though, it's expected where BST is concerned. We've learned we have to deal with the retarded ways SE does the job.
    1. Jug pets can't zone, yet EVERY other pet can. Wasting a fortune in places like Abyssea and on Missions.
    2. Call Beast has a silly recast timer because it'd be OP if it didn't.
    3. Reward also has a daft recast timer when it's not suffered by any other job, but hey it's been alleviated by "Dawn Mulsum" which is 10k each.
    4. "Run Wild" is a worthless ability
    5. Jug Pets are not cheap yet in newer content we now need to have a load of them as they are not only weakness but depop on EVERY voidwatch pop.

    Thanks SE!

    PS. Why not just use PUP's style where Call Beast is, if your pet has 100% of it's HP when you leave then it reset's Call Beast's timer. That'd stop the soloing issue and help in things like Voidwatch.
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    Last edited by Daniel_Hatcher; 12-07-2011 at 12:56 AM.

  4. #114
    Player Olor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helel View Post

    SMN is completely useless without a pet so I'm not sure why anyone is comparing them to BST. They're so dissimilar it doesn't make any sense. Or do people actually melee T3 VW mobs with their staff?
    What are you talking about? Unless you count being a gimp "useful" a bst is useless without their pet as well.
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vold View Post
    I like how people are arguing that they can't call their pets fast enough to solo hard stuff while just about every other job can't solo hard stuff either. I was killing Vrtra last night. Boy it would have been nice to call pets faster because I could have soloed it then. Or maybe faster reward timers would work, too. Help me solo the universe SE.

    For me it isn't about soloing at all actually - it is about being useful for a group and being able to do events like WoE without going broke. It is also about them saying "we decided to give you nothing but crappy abilities on this pet, because you can use a different pet instead!" - if the answer to having sucky abilities is to swap pets they need to make pets easier to swap.
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  6. #116
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    The answer is what someone already said, make a ability like deus ex. That was very smart. let them call beast every min but the pet only has 10% hp or something, they have to rely on stay or reward to fill it. This stops bst from soloing anything but allows them not to be gimped for long period of times.

    But as usual, SE fails to see the simple solution when they actually design the solution already, even if it was 4 years too late.

    Now for the cost. Jugs should not cost 120k a stack, npcs should sell all jugs at a set price. This keeps crafters in line and not exploiting bsts. If the items are too expensive because people dont farm, because people don't anymore, at least you can buy a stack of dipper for 50k off an npc.
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  7. #117
    Player Sharnak's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbobx View Post
    The answer is what someone already said, make a ability like deus ex. That was very smart. let them call beast every min but the pet only has 10% hp or something, they have to rely on stay or reward to fill it. This stops bst from soloing anything but allows them not to be gimped for long period of times.

    But as usual, SE fails to see the simple solution when they actually design the solution already, even if it was 4 years too late.

    Now for the cost. Jugs should not cost 120k a stack, npcs should sell all jugs at a set price. This keeps crafters in line and not exploiting bsts. If the items are too expensive because people dont farm, because people don't anymore, at least you can buy a stack of dipper for 50k off an npc.
    for dipper, as one who use to try to syn it i must say it's because of material is very trouble farming, Lesser Chigoe is very very trouble to get one. I use my 95thf with steal+ set try steal it form sheep in ToU area and take about hr just get 3 of them (As you know steal is 5 min cool down and it's very trouble success rate) . As long no any other nicer ways to obtain Lesser Chigoe, i'm sure that price will not come down easily.
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  8. #118
    Player Luvbunny's Avatar
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    Agreed, jug pets should be easily obtainable - or at least the crafting materials should be all obtainable from npc - this will encourage crafting yet keep price in check. Making jug pets similar to avatar and automaton would be a great idea to save on cost. Frankly there are many things they can do to improve BST, but SE seems to have an allergic reaction whenever you bring the subject of pet based jobs - they get seizure, and claim lost memory, unable to respond and just leave us exactly where we are. In another news, they are adding 1500 heavy metal plates for magian trials because... that is just so easy and "extend" years of game life.
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  9. #119
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    alot of good points but all i really been complaining about the last 14? months is charm, make charm work in abyessa and future events. It seems like a super common sence thing to ask but then again im asking ppl who dont have the man power to let bst pets zone.
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  10. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharnak View Post
    for dipper, as one who use to try to syn it i must say it's because of material is very trouble farming, Lesser Chigoe is very very trouble to get one. I use my 95thf with steal+ set try steal it form sheep in ToU area and take about hr just get 3 of them (As you know steal is 5 min cool down and it's very trouble success rate) . As long no any other nicer ways to obtain Lesser Chigoe, i'm sure that price will not come down easily.
    There is a much easier way to farm lesser chigoes than stealing them. You can harvest them in Grauberg (S). You can easily get over a stack in an hour there once you know where the points are.
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