[dev1042] Level Cap Increase (BST Related)

[Camate]

Just wanted to pass along some additional information on the new familiars.

Toad: Level 23. There are no abilities that can be used. Seems like the attack delay is the same as a level 76+ pet, making me think the real level is around 75.

As we have mentioned previously, when considering that this pet is supposed to just be a mascot-type pet, it’s planned to be the cheapest of all familiars. Following this, we feel like the current stats are not really appropriate.

Apkallu: Level 76, monk type. Only able to use Beak Lunge and Wing Slap. I would really have liked to use Yawn and Frigid Shuffle. Pretty disappointed as this is the first bird type pet. Are you making adjustments and planning to add this later?

We are planning to make this a pet that is easy to obtain and will be balancing its power accordingly (Planning to make it cheaper than Yuly).

With that said, we believe it would be too overpowered for it to have Yawn and Frigid Shuffle.

Hippogryph: Level 86, thief type. Triple Attack activates as normal. Able to use Jettatura, Choke Breath, Back Heel, and Fantod. Really happy with the stats, but disappointing that they can’t use the Dispel ability, Nihility Song. I feel like the regular attacks powered up by Fantod are stronger than Back Heel. Was this adjusted making it weaker? Also it shows that Back Heel requires one charge, but it actually takes two. Is this a test server bug?

Back Heel requires one charge, Fantod requires two.
We felt Nihility Song was a bit overpowered, so we removed it. Apologies!
Jettatura completely ignores resists currently, so we are planning to adjust this. There is also a chance that we remove it completely.

Adamantoise: Level 96, high attack power, high defense, and slow. Definitely a turtle. Can use three abilities: Harden Shell, Turtle Stomp, and Aqua Breath. Does not have access to Head Butt, Tortoise Song, or Earth Breath. Turtle Stomp is just a normal physical weapon skill. Was it only certain NMs that had the added effect of defense down? Breath is capped at 400. While you can’t use the abilities for kited battles, seems like this guy makes a good tank.

We are planning to make a couple adjustments and we’re also thinking about strengthening Aqua Breath.

[Sparthos]

Just wanted to pass along some additional information on the new familiars.



As we have mentioned previously, when considering that this pet is supposed to just be a mascot-type pet, it’s planned to be the cheapest of all familiars. Following this, we feel like the current stats are not really appropriate.



We are planning to make this a pet that is easy to obtain and will be balancing its power accordingly (Planning to make it cheaper than Yuly).

With that said, we believe it would be too overpowered for it to have Yawn and Frigid Shuffle.



Back Heel requires one charge, Fantod requires two.
We felt Nihility Song was a bit overpowered, so we removed it. Apologies!
Jettatura completely ignores resists currently, so we are planning to adjust this. There is also a chance that we remove it completely.



We are planning to make a couple adjustments and we’re also thinking about strengthening Aqua Breath.

No offense to Camate but these are a bunch of nerfs akin to getting a lump of coal in a well dressed box.

So the Toad is going to be stripped of any melee capability for the sake of being a mascot-type pet. Ok, why isn't this just a job emote then? The pet will have absolutely no practical purpose if stripped down further except to eat inventory slots.

Can a mascot not fight back?
Can't players just pick the pet they like the most and make it their mascot?

This makes no sense, especially coming off the scorpion and ruszor being snubbed which were equally wanted by players.

@Apkallu - Cheaper than Yuly pretty much means within the range of a number of other pets which is pretty much anything between 4k/stack to 50k/stack. Ok, fair enough.

Why is Yawn "overpowered"? Nazuna has Sheep Song which is not only the same element as Yawn but also doesn't require facing the Apkallu to land. This is simply confusing given previous decisionmaking.

Frigid Shuffle "overpowered"? Again this requires facing the Apkallu, the paralyze effect isn't very special compared to other classes and it'd most certainly be set at 2-3 charges. How is this ability even noteworthy?

@Hippogryph

Nihility Song is dispel ability and is limited to a Ready timer and TP, how exactly is this overpowered especially given the decision to give Puppetmaster a dispel attachment and the ability to use Dispel via the automaton? Is the timer, TP requirement and decision to give up damage (by not using Fantod/Back Heel) balancing force enough?

These overpowered abilities are just confusing.

@Turtle

Removing Head Butt is confusing. Wouldn't that help tanking if that's where this jug is supposed to be used? The ability to use a faux-bash everytime you've got TP up isn't exactly amazing when compared to other classes.

[Vold]

Just wanted to pass along some additional information on the new familiars.



As we have mentioned previously, when considering that this pet is supposed to just be a mascot-type pet, it’s planned to be the cheapest of all familiars. Following this, we feel like the current stats are not really appropriate.



We are planning to make this a pet that is easy to obtain and will be balancing its power accordingly (Planning to make it cheaper than Yuly).

With that said, we believe it would be too overpowered for it to have Yawn and Frigid Shuffle.



Back Heel requires one charge, Fantod requires two.
We felt Nihility Song was a bit overpowered, so we removed it. Apologies!
Jettatura completely ignores resists currently, so we are planning to adjust this. There is also a chance that we remove it completely.



We are planning to make a couple adjustments and we’re also thinking about strengthening Aqua Breath.

I...um...I....Iiiiiiii...um...I... I don't understand.

[SpankWustler]

We are planning to make this a pet that is easy to obtain and will be balancing its power accordingly (Planning to make it cheaper than Yuly).

Every jug pet commonly used above level 75 is cheaper than Dipper Yuly, and the majority of them also do more damage than Dipper Yuly or have more useful Sic commands. I don't understand why Dipper Yuly is used for this comparison, or the weird standards the development team have for jug pet price VS jug pet performance.

Am I missing something? Is the Apkallu a Thief in spite of every other member of his or her species following the path of punching stuff and being a Monk?

I feel like someone has just informed me that he's going to pee on me while I'm asleep because the Martians who live in his shoes are banging out telegraphs on his toenails. He tries to explain that dispensing his urine onto those who do not want it is the only way to make them stop, but that just makes the whole thing even more nonsensical.

TL;DNR Version: I do not understand the comparison at all. I do not understand the need for or reasoning behind such a comparison, either.

[SpankWustler]

Having come to terms with the existence of the weird jug pet pricing analogy, I decided to read the rest of the development team's thoughts.

With that said, we believe it would be too overpowered for it to have Yawn and Frigid Shuffle.

I don't understand how "360 degree gaze" versions of abilities two of our jug pets already have in normal Area of Effect form (Nursery Nazuna's Sheep Song and Gorefang Hobs's Roar, respectively) would be overpowered abilities for a new jug pet. How cheap is this thing planned to be such that it will be so awful? Is the Apkallu's jug going to be crafted using partly chewed bubblegum and dirty tufts of Galkan back hair found in the streets of Bastok after a mid-summer molt?

Back Heel requires one charge, Fantod requires two.
We felt Nihility Song was a bit overpowered, so we removed it. Apologies!
Jettatura completely ignores resists currently, so we are planning to adjust this. There is also a chance that we remove it completely.

Making Nihility Song a single target dispel that removes one buff wasn't an option? Making Nihility Song require three charges wasn't an option? Really? Please adjust Jettatura rather than simply removing it. Please.

We are planning to make a couple adjustments and we’re also thinking about strengthening Aqua Breath.

I'm glad to hear that Aqua Breath may be strengthened. At this point, it doesn't make sense for the version used by monsters to be capped at 400 either. Four-hundred damage isn't that much nowadays.

[Faithful]

The people running this game really do have no clue it seems. I've never before considered quitting this game as much as I have in the past couple months. Level 99 was a chance to fix a ton of issues with some of the less popular jobs, but from the sounds of things bst are going to be in the same boat at 99 that they were in at 75. I fun job for few but shunned by the masses. That's not really the way an mmo should be.

[Glamdring]

Just wanted to pass along some additional information on the new familiars.



As we have mentioned previously, when considering that this pet is supposed to just be a mascot-type pet, it’s planned to be the cheapest of all familiars. Following this, we feel like the current stats are not really appropriate.



We are planning to make this a pet that is easy to obtain and will be balancing its power accordingly (Planning to make it cheaper than Yuly).

With that said, we believe it would be too overpowered for it to have Yawn and Frigid Shuffle.



Back Heel requires one charge, Fantod requires two.
We felt Nihility Song was a bit overpowered, so we removed it. Apologies!
Jettatura completely ignores resists currently, so we are planning to adjust this. There is also a chance that we remove it completely.



We are planning to make a couple adjustments and we’re also thinking about strengthening Aqua Breath.

Hate to say I told ya so about dumming down the jugs so I'll just let Camate do it for me...