[dev1042] Level Cap Increase (BST Related)

[Olor]

This is just laughable - they could make BST shines and better, but they refuse due some "content balancing" issue. Reducing the call timer to 3 mnts won't break the game, summoner can call pet every one minutes, and poor puppetmaster and dragoon have a much longer timer and have to just deal with it. Yes we want beastmaster to be able to do everything, it is time for them to shine for once.

Deus Ex Automata allows you to call your auto. It has a 1 minute cool down. Although the pet will start with almost no HP unless they were at full when you dismissed them - autos can also heal themselves pretty much infinitely with no pet food required and PUP gets oils as well. Our only pet that can heal itself is hard-capped healing (based on LL's HP) once every 3 minutes.

[Olor]

Hi Rukkirii, first of all, I appreciate the answers you're giving us, but Dreamin has it correct - you can't have it both ways - where you say "oh if you want that ability use this pet!" but then make the call beast timer so limited that we can't switch pets in a reasonable fashion. No other job is limited to 2 or 3 abilities at a time (and at any time at least 2 of them suck completely)

Have you guys actually used these ready abilities? Most of them suck. Then you take all the good monster skills off jugs, and make most of the reasonably decent ready abilities cost 3 charges. It is infuriating. I hate to break it to you, but a move which costs TP, and is on a timer needs to do more than 10 extra damage to not suck. Most ready abilities do less damage than a critical hit. I don't think anyone really uses most of the ones that don't have debuffs. I sure as heck don't.

And in content like WoE - it costs SO MUCH MONEY to be a bst. Just ridiculous amounts - the biggest reason being that pet food is disgustingly expensive, and if you don't use it every time the timer is up, your pet dies and you can do NOTHING for 1-2 minutes.

If you want BST to get invited to groups you can't have them standing around doing nothing for 1-2 minutes because their pet died. You don't limit summoner to 1 pet every 5 minutes - and with all the -perp gear (nevermind in abyssea) MP is not very limiting - and PUP can get their pet every minute - so why the long cool down on call beast? It isn't reasonable - especially with things like those birds in WOE flux 9 that do a max HP down effect and kill your pet in like two hits. It really sucks to spend 30K per run and get nothing but logs and ingots as a reward 95% of the time.

I don't see how it is balanced to make a BST pay 5K+ to buy the pet that can paralyze, make them get at least 100 tp to do it, and then restrict them from using any other pet skill for minutes at a time.

If RDM doesn't get invited for Paralyze that is not on a ridiculous recast timer and doesn't require feeding the boss TP, (AND THEY CAN BUFF AND USE OTHER DEBUFFS) why the heck would anyone invite a BST to their party when they are less useful?

[Helel]

So nobody is going to comment on VW procs--the real reason this is a problem? Pet procs are basically impossible or near impossible to proc, and even then it's usually a waste of time. Outside of VW, who cares...? BST can hold its own without a pet.

SMN is completely useless without a pet so I'm not sure why anyone is comparing them to BST. They're so dissimilar it doesn't make any sense. Or do people actually melee T3 VW mobs with their staff?

PUP is closer to what a BST does, so basically the discussion that we should be having is: what is the difference between a BST and a PUP, and how does that difference play into the summoning of pets. Stop talking about SMN.

[xbobx]

Relax everyone, SE knows best, just like a smothering parental figure.

[Olor]

SMN is completely useless without a pet so I'm not sure why anyone is comparing them to BST. They're so dissimilar it doesn't make any sense. Or do people actually melee T3 VW mobs with their staff?

What are you talking about? Unless you count being a gimp "useful" a bst is useless without their pet as well.

[Dreamin]

People invite or let BST go to VW?

[Granny]

lol monsters that were charmable years ago for old content are still there people!!!!!! so we can still charm!!! omg ya that sure is a happy note to point out when people are asking why cant we play bst and charm for all content for like the last 24 levels abd final leg of the game.

[Vold]

I like how people are arguing that they can't call their pets fast enough to solo hard stuff while just about every other job can't solo hard stuff either. I was killing Vrtra last night. Boy it would have been nice to call pets faster because I could have soloed it then. Or maybe faster reward timers would work, too. Help me solo the universe SE.

I would love these changes. Can't deny it. But I know it'd be so broke afterwards with how strong call beast has become. You'd think we wouldn't have much to complain about with the ability to spam DMs these days.

[Olor]

I like how people are arguing that they can't call their pets fast enough to solo hard stuff while just about every other job can't solo hard stuff either. I was killing Vrtra last night. Boy it would have been nice to call pets faster because I could have soloed it then. Or maybe faster reward timers would work, too. Help me solo the universe SE.

For me it isn't about soloing at all actually - it is about being useful for a group and being able to do events like WoE without going broke. It is also about them saying "we decided to give you nothing but crappy abilities on this pet, because you can use a different pet instead!" - if the answer to having sucky abilities is to swap pets they need to make pets easier to swap.

[Pebe]

Can BSTs not charm all the high level 80-100+ mobs outside abyssea? There were some VT crawlers to 95 in crawlers nest for instance. Most dungeons now have really high level monsters (95+). Are these uncharmable? I don't see why they would be. I don't play BST, but I see BSTs complaining about not being able to charm and I'm confused. I understand the whole not being able to charm in abyssea frustration but, I don't get the problem outside abyssea. The only problem I see is not being able to use charmable pets in VW because of the pet dismiss thing.