[dev1041] Relic Armor Upgrades

[ManaKing]

I'd rather they leave the set bonus as is and just rework the dMND formulas for Slow II, Paralyze II, and Addle. Change Saboteur so that it is only consumed when an Enfeeble lands on the target. Remove NM immunity and just give them manageable but high Magic Evasion.

NMs are supposed to become easier when Enfeebled. That's not a bad thing. If SE thinks that NMs will be too easy if we can enfeeble them, then maybe they should make them harder to begin with.

At least it's a solution. Make it so we can offer a party something worth their time. If your SCHs, WHMs, or BLMs have enough magic accuracy to land enfeebles, great. But STOP LETTING THEM STEP ON OUR TOES BY CARING ABOUT WHETHER THEY CAN LAND ENFEEBLES AND START CARING IF WE CAN. That's our job. If you need enfeebles that can stick, then maybe you should get a RDM.

[Seriha]

Curious why not locking enfeebling to a set is okay, but enhancing others is. Old hat argument from me saying our spell duration boosts should've come independent of a full set (like Composure working on everyone from the start), but yeah...

Unlikely the set will change at this point. And from what we've seen of Relic+2, for now it's basically continuations of existing stats with a few curveballs thrown in here and there. The body would be a nice upgrade for us since it's either Glamor Jupon's piddly +3 or a rare/expensive VW body for the slot. Just hope that whatever the required trade in item is isn't too rare.

[cidbahamut]

Curious why not locking enfeebling to a set is okay, but enhancing others is.

Because the two primary spells we cast on others are static effects that previously could not be enhanced by gear. I agree that such an improvement would be better suited to being fixed independent of gear, but as things currently stand the gear fix is sufficient.

You are just trying to shoot down other people with single sentences to show everyone how much you don't care about this job.

I would not be in here brow-beating troglodytes if I were anything other than passionate about my favorite job.

[ManaKing]

Because the two primary spells we cast on others are static effects that previously could not be enhanced by gear. I agree that such an improvement would be better suited to being fixed independent of gear, but as things currently stand the gear fix is sufficient.


I would not be in here brow-beating troglodytes if I were anything other than passionate about my favorite job.

I'll give you a touche and possibly and 2nd touche, but I still think it was handled poorly. What i've seen of new relics is the same as what Seriha reports. It still feels like we got left out of the club for set bonuses that are awesome, just like we got left off the list of upgrades past 75 that were awesome.

We are supposed to be well past the updates that should bring everyone in line with 75. Instead we are getting upgrades like Temper that are basic functionality of a Warrior. WAR gets double attack at 25, it gets subbed at level 50. Even if you divide RDM level by 3 to represent WAR/WHM/BLM you should still get it at 75.

This is old content. Where is the new content for RDM? When are we getting to actually be balanced? What does the next set of upgrades do to fix this? I expect everything that is in the new relic set to be actually worth acquiring. I don't think it would be appropriate to add upgrades to these items just so that we replace them again or never use them in the first place.

[Greatguardian]

Fencer's Ring only works under 75% HP =/ Enhancing sword is also extremely underpowered for level 95, and if your focus is on Enspell damage only you're much better off with Ceremonial Dagger and other low delay weapons. I'd really like to see what set you're using to get 638 Enhancing Magic Skill, too, considering that's what is required for a -50 dmg Phalanx 1.

Dusk/+1 also does not exist?

I can't find much of anything that's credible in that post.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You can't mean the blood mail... for what WS now?

[ManaKing]

You can't mean the blood mail... for what WS now?

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Blood_Scale_Mail

With the right Augments, it is well suited toward Sanguine Blade. In the fixed Augments you could get STR. In the additional random Augments, you could get even more STR up to another 5, and/or MAB up to 8. If you get more MAB than Morrigan's then it would be better outright, because the highest scaling is off of INT, then MND, and last STR.

If they upgrade Morrigan's at some point, then it will be a fight to the death over who has the more ridiculous Augments.

If they add Haste to Morrigan's I would have such a hard time choosing between the 2 of them because I love how both of them look.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I hate the random pool augments :/ I have no luck with those at all. I'd probably try for MAB over Str but I get what you're saying. Even then I'd rather an upgrade to Morrigan's; not that I nuke demons much but the intimidate on legs alone has annoyed me on occaison if I forget Stearc Sub for space.

[Greatguardian]

I found the intimidate useful back in the day for spotting who was casting cures in Wlegs, lol. It was always a pet peev of mine.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Thanks for reminding me I had a Pld trying to tanking Mahjlaef the Paintorn in W legs once before I told them take it off...