[dev1042] Sad Day

[Urteil]

Sorry, that doesn't work. Poison potions. And don't give me crap about using items. In PvE, if something was going to use sleep on you, you'd use a poison potion. In PvP, it's the same thing and they're readily available. Subbing SCH just to deal with BLU is silly.

Poisonga wipes poison potions and wears off in a few seconds.

That being said I don't have to use items vs any job, because I know how to play. You don't even know the full extent of the items you're prescribing. Obviously you don't give a crap because you don't even understand the limited application of the item you are advising.

Subbing SCH helps you deal with lots of things, works amazingly well, you're just awful.

Kiting them is easy, and it doesn't even require /SCH anything /NIN can melee kite them and avoid pinecone bomb beacuse of it being single target and Dream Flower/Sopor because of the long casting time.

However "I don't want to sub SCH, thats silly!" Enjoy eating dirt.

[Winrie]

Poisonga wipes poison potions and wears off in a few seconds.

That being said I don't have to use items vs any job, because I know how to play. You don't even know the full extent of the items you're prescribing. Obviously you don't give a crap because you don't even understand the limited application of the item you are advising.

Subbing SCH helps you deal with lots of things, works amazingly well, you're just awful.

Kiting them is easy, and it doesn't even require /SCH anything /NIN can melee kite them and avoid pinecone bomb beacuse of it being single target and Dream Flower/Sopor because of the long casting time.

However "I don't want to sub SCH, thats silly!" Enjoy eating dirt.

I didnt realize people even pvp'd seriously.
If im going to eat dirt without /sch im main /sch forever! this is important!

[Xellith]

Ok I'm reading the list again two things -

Summoner

Fenrir: Heavenward Howl (Lv. 96)
Grants the effect of HP Drain or MP Drain to party members within area of effect.

One or the other. None of this moon phase bullcrap. We have asked for this type of thing to NEVER be put in the game since its just annoying. "HEY! LISTEN!" instead of being ignorant. If and I say IF this is moon phase related I am going to be sorely disappointed.

White Magic

Cura III (WHM Lv.96)
Restores HP for party members within area of effect. Afflatus Misery: Increases healing potency.

Stop giving WHM such useless spells. Cura 1 and 2 never saw any use. What makes you think Cura 3 is gonna be any different? "CURA ALL THE THINGS!" - No SE. No. Useful spells please. No I didn't say "No Useful spells please" I said "NO. Useful spells please". As in "Useful spells can I have it?"

[Zirael]

[...] Us black mages were just expecting meteor, since they said they were giving it. These are just jobs I use /am familiar with. I am not mad, just disappointed. Maybe they have more coming.

I hope I'm wrong, but this might suggest Meteor will be a Merit3 spell, similar to AM2 before.
As for RDM, devs seem to be unsure what to do with the job. Our healing sucks (and don't give me that 'buuuuuut RDM can reach +50% cure poteeeency!' - so what? SMN SCH or PUP are there too), our nuking is that of a lv75 BLM, our enfeebling doesn't matter (even Dia3 or Saboteur-Slow2 don't make a difference these days), our enchancing can be done better by BRD/WHM or COR/WHM or WHM (Boost-STR/Auspice), our meeling/tanking... Temper sucks (unless it becomes OAT 2-3, 2-4x with more Enhancing skill in future), the best body for Chant du Cygne is lv71 Antares Harness, best body for Mercy Stroke/Knights of Round (as if anyone cares) is lv75 Morrigan Robe... RDM is in a very sad state these days. So is THF, my other favourite job. And the trend seems to continue ;(

[SpankWustler]

None of this moon phase bullcrap.

Worry not, friend. Given that the effects are related to HP and MP, it's likely the ability will vary between day and night rather than varying by moonphase.

[Zarabeth]

I hope I'm wrong, but this might suggest Meteor will be a Merit3 spell, similar to AM2 before.
As for RDM, devs seem to be unsure what to do with the job. Our healing sucks (and don't give me that 'buuuuuut RDM can reach +50% cure poteeeency!' - so what? SMN SCH or PUP are there too), our nuking is that of a lv75 BLM, our enfeebling doesn't matter (even Dia3 or Saboteur-Slow2 don't make a difference these days), our enchancing can be done better by BRD/WHM or COR/WHM or WHM (Boost-STR/Auspice), our meeling/tanking... Temper sucks (unless it becomes OAT 2-3, 2-4x with more Enhancing skill in future), the best body for Chant du Cygne is lv71 Antares Harness, best body for Mercy Stroke/Knights of Round (as if anyone cares) is lv75 Morrigan Robe... RDM is in a very sad state these days. So is THF, my other favourite job. And the trend seems to continue ;(

I completely agree with this post, RDM has been made obsolete and se doesn't seem to want to do anything to fix that.

[Alhanelem]

Stop giving WHM such useless spells. Cura 1 and 2 never saw any use. What makes you think Cura 3 is gonna be any different?

I actually used cura and I don't think it's useless. It's a heal spell that's tied to Aff. Misery, that's all there is to it. Cura 1 is basically the best way to wake a whole party up. Cura II is a little more potent but didn't get much use because it wasnt strong enough to be used as a heal and basically only served the same purpose as cura I. Another tier likely brings the cure potency to a more useable level. I wouldn't write it off just yet.

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I see a lot of upset people on the various forums acting as if the stuff in the level 99 update post is the only new spells/abilities we're getting at 99. They're not. After the level 99 update iwll be the group 3 merits update. They said during the road map post that this update would outstrip the level 99 update in scope. Basically, I see it as group 3 merits providing stuff that would be given at level 100 if we got that level.

THESE SPELLS,BPs AND ROLL are NOT the only new spells/abilities that are coming. CHILL OUT, BE PATIENT, your job WILL get new stuff. It just might not be in this next patch.

[Jerbob]

Cura spells really are absolutely terrible unless you're just messing about. I have no problem with spells being added for unorthodox shenanigans so long as they're treated as such, and not taking up developer time/resources where more useful things could be added. In all honesty it's not even good for waking people up because it's self-target, and on anything where waking people up immediately or at low cost is important you're likely not in range - and if you are in range, you're probably asleep too. If you've got time to run in then things really aren't that critical.

Yeah, Cura type spells work to an extent - they're not actually broken - but they're not actually useful in any meaningful capacity. They don't add anything to White Mage without simultaneously being a liability except in very rare circumstances or when you're in a situation where anything would do anyway. When I saw Cura II was being added in the earlier cap increases my heart dropped, and now I'm just bashing my head against a wall in frustration. They simply are not worth having, and every Cura spell we get is another excuse for SE not to give WHM something interesting.

Meanwhile, I see that SCH has stolen yet another spell that should have gone to another job. I know that SCH is hurting for healing at the moment, but really? It's not like WHM has had a mastery over Regen since the game was released or anything. Is there any type of magic that SCH doesn't claim mastery over yet? Regen needs fixing across the board, and this is not an excuse for SCH to vacuum it up.

I'm sorry to be so negative but this set of patch notes is just another example of SE's competely messed up thinking.

[Leonlionheart]

Cura and Cura II can easily be completely free of MP cost, and that leaves room for a different style of WHM play, if only in older endgame play (as it is now in Aby and VW you only cast V and VI).

In certain VNM fights and Salvage Cura and Cura II spam can lead to the entire party walking out with full MP and full HP.

[Jerbob]

I will admit from the start that I've not done Salvage before, so correct me if I am mistaken at any point, but I can't imagine for a second that anything being done with Cura could not be done with any other tool just as effectively, particularly when taking any risks into account. As you have said, it opens up the possibility for a different style of playing White Mage - which is fine, and should certainly be encouraged - but it's neither groundbreaking nor revelant for the vast majority of content or players. At best it is an alternative - one with potential risks - and at worst it's seen as a "feature" of White Mage by developers that justifies not creating more interesting spells (or giving them to other jobs, notably SCH).

I'm not saying it doesn't work - indeed, you've shown that it can and does - just that it's not actually a unique asset for White Mage 95% of the time. With developer time supposedly as stretched as it is, spells like Cura are more likely than not hurting White Mage rather than helping it. It's yet another "well it works on paper!" idea, as far as I am concerned.