[dev1042] Lv cap increase

[Anza]

The viability of MNK+Avenger's depends entirely on how Melee Gaiters+2's "Augments Counterstance II" effect scales. Counter does eventually cap, and most Monks already come pretty close with gear and/or Atmas.

Not everyone who would appreciate counter is a MNK, therefore they won't all be able to use MNK job specific gear, Counterstance (unless /MNK), or Perfect Counter.

You really think a PLD wouldn't appreciate, say, 20% Counter rate from a lucky roll? NIN trying to re-apply shadows on an NM would like it (see also: Gnarled Horn and Iga Hakama enhance Yonin effect). I play MNK and NIN, and honestly I'd be much more excited about a good counter roll when tanking on NIN than on MNK.

Even an evasion tank doesn't evade everything - I could see something like a DNC or THF enjoying it on certain fights.

[Greatguardian]

I was replying specifically to a comment about MNK and Avenger's, by discussing how MNK and Avenger's interact. I didn't say anything about how it affects other jobs.

Update:

Last Stand:

2-hit Marksmanship WS.

WSC: AGI 100% (20% per merit)

FTP:

2.0 > 2.125 > 2.25

Like Jishnu's Radiance, fTP is applied to BOTH hits for Last Stand.

This means the total fTP of the WS is 4.0 at 100% TP, and 4.5 at 300% TP.

Gorget and Belt's 0.1 fTP increase applies to BOTH hits as well, meaning these pieces are effectively 0.2 fTP each for this WS.

A 4.4 fTP, 100% AGI Physical WS? Sign me up. It will likely end up competitive with Wildfire (Especially considering it can take advantage of Armageddon's high natural D), and offer a solid option on monsters that are more susceptible to Physical damage than Magical damage.

Tangent: Does anyone with test server access know if we have our third roll there yet? Where the heck is that?

[SpankWustler]

Tangent: Does anyone with test server access know if we have our third roll there yet? Where the heck is that?

In happier places. Blowing over a green, lush field on a cool breeze. At just that distance from a fire where it feels "toasty" rather than "hot. In the dreams of every sleeping child. Just past the horizon, where everything is bright and warm and the chill of night is no longer felt. Written on a wadded up piece of paper at the bottom of a waste basket in a drab second-floor office within SE's main offices, long forgotten.

[Greatguardian]

I use a little over 30 cards a fight, and typically 50-120-ish Bronze and 50-100 Oberon's depending on the mob. I don't use Steels if I can avoid it. I use about 6 sushi per fight, more on dicks like Pil, considering I always get hate and die, more than once. I rock hard and roll harder on pirate, lol.

My linkshell has a habit of calling fake Marksmanship procs when they want me to stop ripping hate off the tanks and use crap WS for a bit, lol.

[Afania]

I use a little over 30 cards a fight, and typically 50-120-ish Bronze and 50-100 Oberon's depending on the mob. I don't use Steels if I can avoid it. I use about 6 sushi per fight, more on dicks like Pil, considering I always get hate and die, more than once. I rock hard and roll harder on pirate, lol.

My linkshell has a habit of calling fake Marksmanship procs when they want me to stop ripping hate off the tanks and use crap WS for a bit, lol.

Some of the gears on head/legs/waist slot has both AGI and enmity-, and according to my math(using WF dmg calculator to calculate the dmg), a COR capping enmity- with merit/gear(must use a good set that has as much AGI/MAB as possible with enmity- 50) is able to do WS 3x more and deal 2x amount of dmg total before capping hate.

I was planning to try it myself to see how effective it is, but I took a break after update and no longer play enough, and I can't find some of the good enmity- gears on AH everywhere as well since no one's selling it, so it kinda hold off. With next update coming soon I probably need to save my merits and won't be able to change my merit to enmity- to reach cap anyways.

I'm not 100% sure it will be more effective without actually use it in practice, I saw someone else used it, so wanted to try myself. Just tossing out an idea here if hate is an issue.

[noodles355]

Sounds about the same rate as me, just bumped up the numbers to show even when over-exaggerating, it should be nowhere near as much as 1mil. I tend to hold off after taking hate once as Hard fights have nasty AoEs that will one-shot you if weakened and you can't DD at all double weak. On easier fights like city T4s I tend to only DD during staggers as otherwise they die too quick.

[Greatguardian]

Eh? I said per fight, lol. Not per event / 4-12 fights. When I get hate, I tend to just pop Fanatic's/Fool's and beat the shit out of whatever dared to look at my Corsair the wrong way, lol.

[noodles355]

Eh? I said per fight, lol. Not per event / 4-12 fights. When I get hate, I tend to just pop Fanatic's/Fool's and beat the shit out of whatever dared to look at my Corsair the wrong way, lol.

I'm sorry, you're not WSing 50-120 times per VW fight, don't be rediculous. T4 Cities die too quick, either you're holding dmg for procs, or you're raping it - it dies too quick to WS that much. T3 Zilart and Jeuno will kill you in about 3 hits, as soon as fanatics wears - you're dead. If it's constantly staggered well so that you can keep popping fanatics then it's going to die within 5-10 minutes and you wont have time to WF 50-120 times. You cap hate after about 10 WFs. Soon as you die once you can't go and cap hate again bcause if you die again you can't do any damage for 5 minutes thanks to double weak.

[Pebe]

you think its expensive now? HA! Just wait until Last Stand is available. 2 hit weaponskill that we need to use our best bullets for Q.Q. I go through stacks of arrows like candy when I'm spamming Jishunu's on rng. Whenever Armageddon does more damage, I breathe a sigh of relief because I can save my arrows.

[Greatguardian]

I don't let Fanatics wear! I may have been highballing a bit according to find's ammo tracker from the other night, but not by too much. Actual bronze usage ended up being about 40/fight on T3 Jeuno. Oberon's usage was higher though, as the NMs decided to be dicks and dispel my rolls over and over, and Trump cards were still about 20-30 a fight depending on how fast they were. As long as there is some sort of proc every 2 minutes or so, I'll have Fanatics up at least 50% of the time, and plenty of Lucid potions and Fool's to spam in the meantime (I also get cures, so it's not like I just drop if I have hate). My gun shots take longer to fire than a melee round, so as long as the melees tanking it have capped hate too the mob won't be on me fulltime unless QD charges are up.

Don't get me wrong, I do die, but since I'm typically living off temp items anyways I'm typically able to unweak before dying a second time.

Oberon's prices have finally dipped again though, which has helped. They were 700k/stack on my server for a long while (causing the vast majority of my expenditures), and are now back down to 400k. I'm not entirely sure what causes these market fluctuations, but they save me cash! The original point was that Corsair is expensive as balls anyways, which I'm sure we can agree on.